New headline “Business owner runs their business how they see fit”.
It also says “not child friendly” not that children aren’t allowed full stop, people can still take their children if they are going to behave.
Yeah the pub are just enforcing their rules, that’s fair and nothing wrong.
However, they did clearly do it in a manner meant to agitate and will likely lose some custom for it and again that’s fair, that’s market choice. A simple “we aren’t child friendly, sorry for any inconvenience but this is our policy” would have achieved the same thing.
What’s wrong with this? Should adults not have somewhere they can unwind and not worry about having to be family friendly with their conversation?
Do we really need a full close up of mother of two Jade in this article?
>Mum-of-two Jade Hawkins said she was “disgusted” with the pub’s statement
Then don’t go to that pub.
Oh, and Jade Hawkins looks exactly how I would picture her.
I’m getting the strong impression that Jade is part of the reason the owners implemented this policy….
Sounds good to me, whenever I go out to eat or just want to go for a drink, I’d say more than 70% of the time there’s some stupid kid screaming or crying non-stop and the parent or parents are nowhere to be found or browsing their phone and not doing anything about it.
If you’re gonna have kids then fucking parent them.
Edit: Yeah you, get off your phone and parent your screaming little shits.
If Jade types aren’t drinking there then I’ll give it a try 👍
A pub in my area is child free, which I think is great.
I stopped going to the pubs by me to eat, I just can’t stand the kids running around, the mess. What is it with parents who think they can cause a bomb site and just leave the staff to clean it all up? I’m not talking about a few peas, but furniture everywhere, drinks tipped, sauce everywhere, just disgusting.
More places should do this honestly, especially after certain times
Theres a few pubs in my local town that are no children allowed. Adults should be allowed to un-wind.
Institutions should be free to welcome whomever they choose. A shame the Garrick and the MCC got so much heat for their own policies.
>”Quite frankly I believe it will impact their business because every parent will have to decide if they think their child would fit the description of being ‘well-behaved’ enough for their establishment,”
No one cares, Jade. Get lost.
Meanwhile not enough Britons are having enough children to replace us. I wonder why?
How do people have children and just assume they can live their lives exactly as they did before they had them?
Are people also angry about adult only holiday resorts?
I’ve got kids and I don’t think any of this is unreasonable. I’d be mortified if mine started running around a restaurant, or shrieking, banging cutlery etc and it really annoys me when other parents allow it. We take them out quite regularly and they know exactly what is expected of them.
I mean, I’m a parent and I don’t mind or care if a pub is child free – different venues, different clientele etc etc and lots of pubs are already child free by default, they just don’t explicitly state it.
I am bothered by the ease of which you can be increasingly hostile about kids in public spaces? Yeah they can be a pain but people seem to relish about going on and on and on about how annoying kids are and oh they are so noisy and awful! It just makes you sound like some pinched, miserable little Victorian. Hate it.
This comments section is a shower of curmudgeonly piss
It’s all well and good wanting to be child free, but when you are a pub in a village in the middle of nowhere, that closes at 10pm you might not want to alienate what is probably at least a third of your customers.
Oh no, jade can’t down 10 double pink gins while her kids run round the pub like lunatics! Whatever will we do
Now do dogs: so many nice eateries around me suddenly seem to allow dogs, I’m allergic, they’re unhygenic.
Totally agree with the idea. Even as parents you might want a place to chill and not have kids around. After watching the 200th episode of bluey I might just want to rage and swear like Samuel L Jackson with torettes
There’s a way of doing things and what this pub has written is not the way. However I get the impression that it’s targeted at certain individuals so they’ve felt the need to be aggressive..
I get it, I’m a parent but there’s nothing worse than being somewhere and someone’s children acting feral.. not the children’s fault generally poor parenting or the parent just don’t give a shit.
My wife and I are always mortified if our son kicks up a fuss in any public establishment, and will endeavour to calm him down or whatever to make sure other patrons aren’t affected, even if it means one of us (or all of us) leave the area.
Unfortunately not all families are like that and I guess that’s why the pub has taken this action which is a shame
I’m a dad who loves taking his kids to the pub. however, I completely understand pubs that decide they’d rather not have kids there. I don’t want to take my kids anywhere that they’re not welcome.
As a parent, I don’t mind this.
Nothing wrong with some adult only spaces.
And this is fine. It’s not as if there is a shortage of pubs that will happily accept children as customers. If the pub then fails as a result of this, that’s also fine.
Not everyone wants to be around kids all of the time.
Honestly as a society we moan over trivial issues without seeing the full implications. Women in the workplace frown on for getting pregnant. Places not being children friendly etc. and then a declining birth rate and don’t see the connection with immigration that it would lead to.
If it’s their pub, it’s their rules. Abide or go elsewhere. I have no problem with this.
Good. If you want to take your kids, go somewhere they’re welcome and is set up to cater for their needs. Those people complaining are probably the same ones who go online to complain their local cafe gets annoyed when they buy a coffee each then turn it into a free day care centre
In my day we were left in the car with a bottle of pander pop and a packet of seabrook crisps
tabloid level argument generator posted by the national broadcaster including a social media quote from a person deliberately chosen to wind people up (young mother with a neck tattoo) really good stuff
I dont disagree with the pub but think they’ve gone about it in the wrong way which seems provocative.
As always middle ground needs to be found more generally, dont take your kids to the pub in the evening but equally kids need to go out somewhere other than the park.
I dont take my 11 month old to cafes etc as she is a pain but I did once have a older lady yell she needs to learn to behave because she was crying at 8 months when we went to a beach.
I can’t coop up forever until she’s 18…
There’s a pub near me that doesn’t let kids in. I only found out when we went to stop off for a quick one while our baby was asleep. They told us no kids, we went to another pub. It’s pretty straightforward. Have been back to that pub on loads of occasions without the kids now and it’s great.
Please let this catch on. Why the fuck should the default be “put up with little twats ruining your precious relaxing moments because they’re just kids”?
Surely it should be “Control your kids and stop them bothering people who have enough shit to deal with”
Good. I don’t want to hear a baby watching some Mr tumble shite on a loud ipad
Isn’t this a bit of a non-story? It’s entirely self-policing.
– Pubs that decide not to admit children will lose money from families.
– Pubs that decide to admit children will lose money from people who don’t want to be surrounded by children.
This is just people moaning to the media because they’re self-entitled. Maybe instead of publishing all of these tedious stories they could write a vaguely thought-provoking article about the divide between the expectations of parents and non-parents, but I suppose that’s too much journalism for… *checks notes*… the BBC.
A kid knocked over my pint because they were running around unsupervised, instead of their parent apologising, they blamed me for sitting my beer too close to the edge of the table.
Tbf Im forced to be surrounded by miserable bastard’s that post in /r/Unitedkingdom irl so that’s just as unfair
> “Who are they to say what children are good enough and what children aren’t? Children are children at the end of the day.”
People who say stuff like this always have the worst kids.
Father of two here. Seems like a perfectly fair statement. If I was local I’d use it when I want a break from any and children. Their establishment so they can make the rules.
As a parent, I wouldn’t take issue with this. The message is a little rude, but maybe it has had to evolve over time.
The only time I take my son to a pub is for Sunday lunch at pub that caters for families on a Sunday (kids menu and board games). Plenty of other family friendly places to eat and I’d certainly never consider taking him to a pub just to sit and drink.
I mean, I have kids. It’s nice to bring them to the pub. It’s also nice to go to a pub with no kids. Not everything has to suit everyone at all times.
Ha, I think my son may have contributed to this. He is a very rambunxious and loud 3 year old and we were in there not too long ago.
>”Quite frankly I believe it will impact their business because every parent will have to decide if they think their child would fit the description of being ‘well-behaved’ enough for their establishment,” she said.
Jade Hawkins, I think I speak for many people when I say that as parents, we _know_, with some certainty, if our kids are well behaved or not.
You aren’t calculating their fecking IQ or BMI while being thrown through an assault course – you’re being asked “are your kids capable of sitting, eating and quietly/peacably entertaining themselves and not being little shits that disrupt others”.
If you feel like you’re being given a 20-question paper to answer I think you’ve got larger problems.
>”Who are they to say what children are good enough and what children aren’t? Children are children at the end of the day.”
Oh Jade, I think we may well have established that quite some time ago and given your responses one can only imagine your reflective attitude against the supposed personal attack you’ve read this as shows your kids are likely not under the “good” category, or you’re just passively upset on someone else’s behalf.
Children should be neither seen nor heard. Hail Boomer.
Better way to phrase it is “we are an adults only pub”. But I like that some pubs are adults only.
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New headline “Business owner runs their business how they see fit”.
It also says “not child friendly” not that children aren’t allowed full stop, people can still take their children if they are going to behave.
Yeah the pub are just enforcing their rules, that’s fair and nothing wrong.
However, they did clearly do it in a manner meant to agitate and will likely lose some custom for it and again that’s fair, that’s market choice. A simple “we aren’t child friendly, sorry for any inconvenience but this is our policy” would have achieved the same thing.
What’s wrong with this? Should adults not have somewhere they can unwind and not worry about having to be family friendly with their conversation?
Do we really need a full close up of mother of two Jade in this article?
>Mum-of-two Jade Hawkins said she was “disgusted” with the pub’s statement
Then don’t go to that pub.
Oh, and Jade Hawkins looks exactly how I would picture her.
I’m getting the strong impression that Jade is part of the reason the owners implemented this policy….
Sounds good to me, whenever I go out to eat or just want to go for a drink, I’d say more than 70% of the time there’s some stupid kid screaming or crying non-stop and the parent or parents are nowhere to be found or browsing their phone and not doing anything about it.
If you’re gonna have kids then fucking parent them.
Edit: Yeah you, get off your phone and parent your screaming little shits.
If Jade types aren’t drinking there then I’ll give it a try 👍
A pub in my area is child free, which I think is great.
I stopped going to the pubs by me to eat, I just can’t stand the kids running around, the mess. What is it with parents who think they can cause a bomb site and just leave the staff to clean it all up? I’m not talking about a few peas, but furniture everywhere, drinks tipped, sauce everywhere, just disgusting.
More places should do this honestly, especially after certain times
Theres a few pubs in my local town that are no children allowed. Adults should be allowed to un-wind.
Institutions should be free to welcome whomever they choose. A shame the Garrick and the MCC got so much heat for their own policies.
>”Quite frankly I believe it will impact their business because every parent will have to decide if they think their child would fit the description of being ‘well-behaved’ enough for their establishment,”
No one cares, Jade. Get lost.
Meanwhile not enough Britons are having enough children to replace us. I wonder why?
How do people have children and just assume they can live their lives exactly as they did before they had them?
Are people also angry about adult only holiday resorts?
I’ve got kids and I don’t think any of this is unreasonable. I’d be mortified if mine started running around a restaurant, or shrieking, banging cutlery etc and it really annoys me when other parents allow it. We take them out quite regularly and they know exactly what is expected of them.
I mean, I’m a parent and I don’t mind or care if a pub is child free – different venues, different clientele etc etc and lots of pubs are already child free by default, they just don’t explicitly state it.
I am bothered by the ease of which you can be increasingly hostile about kids in public spaces? Yeah they can be a pain but people seem to relish about going on and on and on about how annoying kids are and oh they are so noisy and awful! It just makes you sound like some pinched, miserable little Victorian. Hate it.
This comments section is a shower of curmudgeonly piss
It’s all well and good wanting to be child free, but when you are a pub in a village in the middle of nowhere, that closes at 10pm you might not want to alienate what is probably at least a third of your customers.
Oh no, jade can’t down 10 double pink gins while her kids run round the pub like lunatics! Whatever will we do
Now do dogs: so many nice eateries around me suddenly seem to allow dogs, I’m allergic, they’re unhygenic.
Totally agree with the idea. Even as parents you might want a place to chill and not have kids around. After watching the 200th episode of bluey I might just want to rage and swear like Samuel L Jackson with torettes
There’s a way of doing things and what this pub has written is not the way. However I get the impression that it’s targeted at certain individuals so they’ve felt the need to be aggressive..
I get it, I’m a parent but there’s nothing worse than being somewhere and someone’s children acting feral.. not the children’s fault generally poor parenting or the parent just don’t give a shit.
My wife and I are always mortified if our son kicks up a fuss in any public establishment, and will endeavour to calm him down or whatever to make sure other patrons aren’t affected, even if it means one of us (or all of us) leave the area.
Unfortunately not all families are like that and I guess that’s why the pub has taken this action which is a shame
I’m a dad who loves taking his kids to the pub. however, I completely understand pubs that decide they’d rather not have kids there. I don’t want to take my kids anywhere that they’re not welcome.
As a parent, I don’t mind this.
Nothing wrong with some adult only spaces.
And this is fine. It’s not as if there is a shortage of pubs that will happily accept children as customers. If the pub then fails as a result of this, that’s also fine.
Not everyone wants to be around kids all of the time.
Honestly as a society we moan over trivial issues without seeing the full implications. Women in the workplace frown on for getting pregnant. Places not being children friendly etc. and then a declining birth rate and don’t see the connection with immigration that it would lead to.
If it’s their pub, it’s their rules. Abide or go elsewhere. I have no problem with this.
Good. If you want to take your kids, go somewhere they’re welcome and is set up to cater for their needs. Those people complaining are probably the same ones who go online to complain their local cafe gets annoyed when they buy a coffee each then turn it into a free day care centre
In my day we were left in the car with a bottle of pander pop and a packet of seabrook crisps
tabloid level argument generator posted by the national broadcaster including a social media quote from a person deliberately chosen to wind people up (young mother with a neck tattoo) really good stuff
I dont disagree with the pub but think they’ve gone about it in the wrong way which seems provocative.
As always middle ground needs to be found more generally, dont take your kids to the pub in the evening but equally kids need to go out somewhere other than the park.
I dont take my 11 month old to cafes etc as she is a pain but I did once have a older lady yell she needs to learn to behave because she was crying at 8 months when we went to a beach.
I can’t coop up forever until she’s 18…
There’s a pub near me that doesn’t let kids in. I only found out when we went to stop off for a quick one while our baby was asleep. They told us no kids, we went to another pub. It’s pretty straightforward. Have been back to that pub on loads of occasions without the kids now and it’s great.
Please let this catch on. Why the fuck should the default be “put up with little twats ruining your precious relaxing moments because they’re just kids”?
Surely it should be “Control your kids and stop them bothering people who have enough shit to deal with”
Good. I don’t want to hear a baby watching some Mr tumble shite on a loud ipad
Isn’t this a bit of a non-story? It’s entirely self-policing.
– Pubs that decide not to admit children will lose money from families.
– Pubs that decide to admit children will lose money from people who don’t want to be surrounded by children.
This is just people moaning to the media because they’re self-entitled. Maybe instead of publishing all of these tedious stories they could write a vaguely thought-provoking article about the divide between the expectations of parents and non-parents, but I suppose that’s too much journalism for… *checks notes*… the BBC.
A kid knocked over my pint because they were running around unsupervised, instead of their parent apologising, they blamed me for sitting my beer too close to the edge of the table.
Tbf Im forced to be surrounded by miserable bastard’s that post in /r/Unitedkingdom irl so that’s just as unfair
> “Who are they to say what children are good enough and what children aren’t? Children are children at the end of the day.”
People who say stuff like this always have the worst kids.
Father of two here. Seems like a perfectly fair statement. If I was local I’d use it when I want a break from any and children. Their establishment so they can make the rules.
As a parent, I wouldn’t take issue with this. The message is a little rude, but maybe it has had to evolve over time.
The only time I take my son to a pub is for Sunday lunch at pub that caters for families on a Sunday (kids menu and board games). Plenty of other family friendly places to eat and I’d certainly never consider taking him to a pub just to sit and drink.
I mean, I have kids. It’s nice to bring them to the pub. It’s also nice to go to a pub with no kids. Not everything has to suit everyone at all times.
Ha, I think my son may have contributed to this. He is a very rambunxious and loud 3 year old and we were in there not too long ago.
>”Quite frankly I believe it will impact their business because every parent will have to decide if they think their child would fit the description of being ‘well-behaved’ enough for their establishment,” she said.
Jade Hawkins, I think I speak for many people when I say that as parents, we _know_, with some certainty, if our kids are well behaved or not.
You aren’t calculating their fecking IQ or BMI while being thrown through an assault course – you’re being asked “are your kids capable of sitting, eating and quietly/peacably entertaining themselves and not being little shits that disrupt others”.
If you feel like you’re being given a 20-question paper to answer I think you’ve got larger problems.
>”Who are they to say what children are good enough and what children aren’t? Children are children at the end of the day.”
Oh Jade, I think we may well have established that quite some time ago and given your responses one can only imagine your reflective attitude against the supposed personal attack you’ve read this as shows your kids are likely not under the “good” category, or you’re just passively upset on someone else’s behalf.
Children should be neither seen nor heard. Hail Boomer.
Better way to phrase it is “we are an adults only pub”. But I like that some pubs are adults only.
“She looks exactly how I’d expect her to look.”
Some really grim takes in this sub nowadays.