Old members of EU have an option to opt-out on some (all?) topics.
New members are required to adopt **all** EU rules.
Starmer trying to ensure the red wall brexit vote.
Also, UK also needs EU to welcome it back..and that might not be as easy as many in the UK wish. EU would certainly not want to be doing the Conga with each UK election cycle.
Does that surprise anyone? I never found the talk about rejoin very realistic, whether you like it or not.
I still dont quite understand how rejoining can be this controversial when some 65% think Brexit was a mistake and rejoining is at something like 54% support?
Then I shall not be voting for you in my lifetime
Not really a surprise and it’s been his mantra for a while. Brexit has irreparable damaged the relationship and any effort to rejoin will be stymied by the EUs recent surge of Russian supporters in upper echelons. (Along with the oddly punitive boner some of you lot have)
Brexit is done and dusted (kinda) best we can do is make the most of the situation instead of starting the process to rejoin.
I think it was an absolute mistake but trying to rejoin at the present would be another on the pile.
WTF is Starmer?
I’m willing to trade
Nice, another politician with zero vision
He intends to die soon?
/jk
Well, he’s 61. Gotta die someday
What does he gain from this speech? It is probably the first subject that he has an opinion and it’s this one.
To be honest, Labour is basically a Conservatives B side nowadays.
So I don’t have hopes that he makes life easier for us Europeans on his side of the channel. Still, not making it *harder* is already a start.
Not with that attitude.
i just wish they’d ease the immigration process to the uk for EU citizens 🙁
Makes sense. He wants to define policy and expectations to run the country and deal with more pressing issues like nhs and other public services.
It’s better not waste everyone’s time when brexit is still a fresh memory for most. It’ll take a couple of generations to broach the subject without reopening old divisions and losing support.
We won’t join unless we can negotiate some of the terms, we won’t adopt the euro for example and we will want protections for financial services. Its just not possible to sell the euro to the British public which is very agaisnt it. It means britian will always be out, unless the EU becomes more flexible. Britain was a net contributor to the EU for 20+ years, for many of those it was the second highest, there’s no way the British public will accept being treat like a new applicant or a reciever even if that’s an arrogant belief. Ultimately Britain joining the customs union might be possible but it all hinges on how flexible the EU is.
What about EEA or Swiss style agreements?!
It’s too long of a time to call. Much more can change in 10 years than we are bold enough to predict now.
But as things stand it’s accurate. It’s something that would be for the best, but people in the UK and the EU are just too ‘emotionally exhausted’ to do.
No reason for UK to join the EU. It’s as unlikely and unnecessary as New Zealand, Japan or Canada joining.
I can see closer alignment on some things happening as it would make practical sense after hard Brexit. Some things have already happened like the UK rejoining Horizon Europe. The EU has offered some things already, I would wait and see after the election.
Bold words
“It’s a Starman” song starts playing
The question is not whether he’s right or wrong. Obviously, no one can tell. I’m sure in 2010 most politicians would have said they do not see the UK leaving within their lifetimes. The question I have is why is he saying that?
To me it seems like he knows that Brexit is a divisive issue. He cannot voice any opinion either way without upsetting many voters and yet Brexit is still a large elephant in the room. So he has to address it. This sounds to me like he wants to frame Brexit as this natural development outside the scope of politics in order to avoid formulating his opinion. In reality of course Brexit is a highly political question and as the likely future PM he must have an opinion on Britain’s future relationship with Europe.
Of course not. The US would not let you do it.
This is a useful reminder of just how out of touch r/Europe is with regards to British attitudes towards rejoining the EU. It doesn’t matter how many polls say that x% of British voters are in favour or rejoining the EU, there is very little real world appetite for reopening that can of worms.
If there was we would either see a single-issue rejoin party that was threatening to undercut the major parties, like UKIP did in 2015; or an established pro-rejoin party like the Lib Dems or Greens surging in popularity. Yet neither the Lib Dems or the Greens are basing their campaign on a pledge to rejoin the EU; rejoining is in their manifestos but both acknowledge it as a long term ambition, not something that can be done in the current political climate.
In fact it is Reform UK, a rebrand of the Brexit Party, who in turn was founded by former UKIP members and is now led by the most prominent Brexiteer ever; which is proving the most likely to undercut the established parties. It is not unfeasable that Reform get 4 to 5 million votes tomorrow, given that UKIP got 3.8million in 2015; how many of those voters do you think are going to be in favour of rejoining the EU?
I suspect it might be Reform’s recent surge in the polls (and Labour’s slight decline) that has prompted Starmer to say this as an attempt to reassure anyone who might be reluctant to vote Labour because they think it might result in the UK rejoining the EU. Sure Labour might lose some committed rejoiners with this but ultimately those diehards are not important in the current political landscape of the UK.
So, a whole nation suffers, because of the opinion of a single rich person who won’t be affected by that country being in the EU or not ? How is that different from a dictatorship ?
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Old members of EU have an option to opt-out on some (all?) topics.
New members are required to adopt **all** EU rules.
Starmer trying to ensure the red wall brexit vote.
Also, UK also needs EU to welcome it back..and that might not be as easy as many in the UK wish. EU would certainly not want to be doing the Conga with each UK election cycle.
Does that surprise anyone? I never found the talk about rejoin very realistic, whether you like it or not.
I still dont quite understand how rejoining can be this controversial when some 65% think Brexit was a mistake and rejoining is at something like 54% support?
Then I shall not be voting for you in my lifetime
Not really a surprise and it’s been his mantra for a while. Brexit has irreparable damaged the relationship and any effort to rejoin will be stymied by the EUs recent surge of Russian supporters in upper echelons. (Along with the oddly punitive boner some of you lot have)
Brexit is done and dusted (kinda) best we can do is make the most of the situation instead of starting the process to rejoin.
I think it was an absolute mistake but trying to rejoin at the present would be another on the pile.
WTF is Starmer?
I’m willing to trade
Nice, another politician with zero vision
He intends to die soon?
/jk
Well, he’s 61. Gotta die someday
What does he gain from this speech? It is probably the first subject that he has an opinion and it’s this one.
To be honest, Labour is basically a Conservatives B side nowadays.
So I don’t have hopes that he makes life easier for us Europeans on his side of the channel. Still, not making it *harder* is already a start.
Not with that attitude.
i just wish they’d ease the immigration process to the uk for EU citizens 🙁
Makes sense. He wants to define policy and expectations to run the country and deal with more pressing issues like nhs and other public services.
It’s better not waste everyone’s time when brexit is still a fresh memory for most. It’ll take a couple of generations to broach the subject without reopening old divisions and losing support.
We won’t join unless we can negotiate some of the terms, we won’t adopt the euro for example and we will want protections for financial services. Its just not possible to sell the euro to the British public which is very agaisnt it. It means britian will always be out, unless the EU becomes more flexible. Britain was a net contributor to the EU for 20+ years, for many of those it was the second highest, there’s no way the British public will accept being treat like a new applicant or a reciever even if that’s an arrogant belief. Ultimately Britain joining the customs union might be possible but it all hinges on how flexible the EU is.
What about EEA or Swiss style agreements?!
It’s too long of a time to call. Much more can change in 10 years than we are bold enough to predict now.
But as things stand it’s accurate. It’s something that would be for the best, but people in the UK and the EU are just too ‘emotionally exhausted’ to do.
No reason for UK to join the EU. It’s as unlikely and unnecessary as New Zealand, Japan or Canada joining.
I can see closer alignment on some things happening as it would make practical sense after hard Brexit. Some things have already happened like the UK rejoining Horizon Europe. The EU has offered some things already, I would wait and see after the election.
Bold words
“It’s a Starman” song starts playing
The question is not whether he’s right or wrong. Obviously, no one can tell. I’m sure in 2010 most politicians would have said they do not see the UK leaving within their lifetimes. The question I have is why is he saying that?
To me it seems like he knows that Brexit is a divisive issue. He cannot voice any opinion either way without upsetting many voters and yet Brexit is still a large elephant in the room. So he has to address it. This sounds to me like he wants to frame Brexit as this natural development outside the scope of politics in order to avoid formulating his opinion. In reality of course Brexit is a highly political question and as the likely future PM he must have an opinion on Britain’s future relationship with Europe.
Of course not. The US would not let you do it.
This is a useful reminder of just how out of touch r/Europe is with regards to British attitudes towards rejoining the EU. It doesn’t matter how many polls say that x% of British voters are in favour or rejoining the EU, there is very little real world appetite for reopening that can of worms.
If there was we would either see a single-issue rejoin party that was threatening to undercut the major parties, like UKIP did in 2015; or an established pro-rejoin party like the Lib Dems or Greens surging in popularity. Yet neither the Lib Dems or the Greens are basing their campaign on a pledge to rejoin the EU; rejoining is in their manifestos but both acknowledge it as a long term ambition, not something that can be done in the current political climate.
In fact it is Reform UK, a rebrand of the Brexit Party, who in turn was founded by former UKIP members and is now led by the most prominent Brexiteer ever; which is proving the most likely to undercut the established parties. It is not unfeasable that Reform get 4 to 5 million votes tomorrow, given that UKIP got 3.8million in 2015; how many of those voters do you think are going to be in favour of rejoining the EU?
I suspect it might be Reform’s recent surge in the polls (and Labour’s slight decline) that has prompted Starmer to say this as an attempt to reassure anyone who might be reluctant to vote Labour because they think it might result in the UK rejoining the EU. Sure Labour might lose some committed rejoiners with this but ultimately those diehards are not important in the current political landscape of the UK.
So, a whole nation suffers, because of the opinion of a single rich person who won’t be affected by that country being in the EU or not ? How is that different from a dictatorship ?
What a dick.
We need to rejoin asap ! Stop the facts ?
not the best wording i gotta say, not the best