How’s the quality? Still sucking arse or getting even worse?
I’d honestly vote for all sanctions to be lifted and let everything crash and burn. Not because I love Putin or anything, but because I’m tired by how things are going currently.
EDIT: To be more clear, I switch between “do to Russia what has been done to Iraq in 2003” and “just let everything burn” depending on how I feel.
I love how SOME of these reports are based on data from russian sources. Or completely neglect the fact that new tanks are barely produced and most are just ones from storage. And yes russia circumvents some sanctions via it’s allies, but it still hinders and slows the process. Plus some secondary sanctions do start to work.
EDIT: But this article has solid points on how to make sanctions even more hard to circumvent for russia. Worth reading nonetheless
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How is this a surprise to anybody? ”War-waging nation increases weapons production”, lmao.
On that node, how many A50s have theire produced? Or how many Su54 their highly advanced insane gen5 beating f35 super mega duper fighter? What you say? 20, in total?
Meanwhile usa produced 450 F35s only for the us, allies not included.
This articel smells like ivan propaganda.
OK, assuming that is not just Russian propaganda, imagine how much more effective their weapons manufacturing would be if there were no sanctions.
Who is this London based think tank they have based this report on
It’s their GDP now. They have nothing else to do.
It’s almost like our reaction time and cohesion is actively sabotaged by a loud minority. Like a bunch of spineless and corrupt populists, especially one with veto power.
No idea who could be. /s
Feels like the only way Russia will lose is with a complete economic crash.
Which is not that good as it sounds for Europe it will be like the collapse of soviet or jugoslavia directly on EU border. Just think about how many immigrant Europe took in 2015-2016. Just this time it will be with a much bigger country than Syria and Afganistan. Which is directly bordering EU. Add in the fact that Russia and central Asia has several extremist groups that could follow the wave of immigrants.
In worst case scenario China will step in and clean up and take the opportunity to have the capacity to directly treaten EU. If EU in future wants something China does not want EU to have, do or regulate.
Since the NBC news article posted on 26 June failed to reference their source, please find the full 43 page article here.
Not that surprising when sanctions don’t actually exist in practice. I just saw a few days ago a German documentary on how Russia is circumventing sanctions.
They set up small offices in Poland and Czech Republic, often run by Russian citizens or Russian ethnic citizens inside the EU and they purchase equipment in countries like Germany over 2-3 company entities, so the production company doesn’t know about it. Then they ship them to Belarus via trucks over the border in Poland, but declare the destination as Hong Kong. Once in Belarus they redeclare the destination and ship them to Moscow, this deletes the paper trail inside Europe. Sometimes the production company even knows about it, but just wants to make money as well, so they hide documentation and declare shipments to 3rd countries.
There is too much corruption with many companies trying to make money and tons of Russians inside Europe who run small companies to aid Putin. The only way to stop this is to close the borders to Belarus and Russia completely for all shipments and increase screening or even restrict shipments to all third party countries who still trade with Russia.
Well, duh.. I mean, they aren’t devoid of either manufacturing capacity or raw materials at any rate. Besides, sanctions just goes as far as one can enforce it. I doubt that this has much of an impact on the capabilities of state sponsored entities or private interest groups in China and India to avoid/ignore these entirely.
number of weapons does not include anything about quality and effectiveness.
If you are under sanctions, it’s easy-peasy to make bullets and granades. If you lack the optics and electronics for guided missiles, you make unguided missiles. Number is missiles goes up……
Vlad…. i have good news and bad news….. The bad news is that due to sanctions we can no longer make guided missiles. The good news is, we have made more missiles than last month!
The main thing Russia needs is ammunition, which basically just requires nitrates and cotton. Russia is a nitrates exporter and I’m sure it’s not hard for them to get cotton from the ‘stans – or even from Turkey.
Ackhually
Russia gets everything they need from China and BRICS, making it a closed loop. All of the economic sanctions are just pushing them further in the arms of China, super counterproductive stuff. Just doing long term strategic damage to the west, mainly EU more than anything else.
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How’s the quality? Still sucking arse or getting even worse?
I’d honestly vote for all sanctions to be lifted and let everything crash and burn. Not because I love Putin or anything, but because I’m tired by how things are going currently.
EDIT: To be more clear, I switch between “do to Russia what has been done to Iraq in 2003” and “just let everything burn” depending on how I feel.
I love how SOME of these reports are based on data from russian sources. Or completely neglect the fact that new tanks are barely produced and most are just ones from storage. And yes russia circumvents some sanctions via it’s allies, but it still hinders and slows the process. Plus some secondary sanctions do start to work.
EDIT: But this article has solid points on how to make sanctions even more hard to circumvent for russia. Worth reading nonetheless
EDIT2: Spelling
How is this a surprise to anybody? ”War-waging nation increases weapons production”, lmao.
On that node, how many A50s have theire produced?
Or how many Su54 their highly advanced insane gen5 beating f35 super mega duper fighter? What you say? 20, in total?
Meanwhile usa produced 450 F35s only for the us, allies not included.
This articel smells like ivan propaganda.
OK, assuming that is not just Russian propaganda, imagine how much more effective their weapons manufacturing would be if there were no sanctions.
Who is this London based think tank they have based this report on
It’s their GDP now. They have nothing else to do.
It’s almost like our reaction time and cohesion is actively sabotaged by a loud minority. Like a bunch of spineless and corrupt populists, especially one with veto power.
No idea who could be. /s
Feels like the only way Russia will lose is with a complete economic crash.
Which is not that good as it sounds for Europe it will be like the collapse of soviet or jugoslavia directly on EU border. Just think about how many immigrant Europe took in 2015-2016. Just this time it will be with a much bigger country than Syria and Afganistan. Which is directly bordering EU. Add in the fact that Russia and central Asia has several extremist groups that could follow the wave of immigrants.
In worst case scenario China will step in and clean up and take the opportunity to have the capacity to directly treaten EU. If EU in future wants something China does not want EU to have, do or regulate.
Since the NBC news article posted on 26 June failed to reference their source, please find the full 43 page article here.
https://static.rusi.org/methodology-degrading-arms-russia-rusi-op-june-2024.pdf
Not that surprising when sanctions don’t actually exist in practice.
I just saw a few days ago a German documentary on how Russia is circumventing sanctions.
They set up small offices in Poland and Czech Republic, often run by Russian citizens or Russian ethnic citizens inside the EU and they purchase equipment in countries like Germany over 2-3 company entities, so the production company doesn’t know about it. Then they ship them to Belarus via trucks over the border in Poland, but declare the destination as Hong Kong. Once in Belarus they redeclare the destination and ship them to Moscow, this deletes the paper trail inside Europe. Sometimes the production company even knows about it, but just wants to make money as well, so they hide documentation and declare shipments to 3rd countries.
There is too much corruption with many companies trying to make money and tons of Russians inside Europe who run small companies to aid Putin. The only way to stop this is to close the borders to Belarus and Russia completely for all shipments and increase screening or even restrict shipments to all third party countries who still trade with Russia.
Well, duh.. I mean, they aren’t devoid of either manufacturing capacity or raw materials at any rate. Besides, sanctions just goes as far as one can enforce it. I doubt that this has much of an impact on the capabilities of state sponsored entities or private interest groups in China and India to avoid/ignore these entirely.
number of weapons does not include anything about quality and effectiveness.
If you are under sanctions, it’s easy-peasy to make bullets and granades. If you lack the optics and electronics for guided missiles, you make unguided missiles. Number is missiles goes up……
Vlad…. i have good news and bad news….. The bad news is that due to sanctions we can no longer make guided missiles. The good news is, we have made more missiles than last month!
The main thing Russia needs is ammunition, which basically just requires nitrates and cotton. Russia is a nitrates exporter and I’m sure it’s not hard for them to get cotton from the ‘stans – or even from Turkey.
Ackhually
Russia gets everything they need from China and BRICS, making it a closed loop. All of the economic sanctions are just pushing them further in the arms of China, super counterproductive stuff. Just doing long term strategic damage to the west, mainly EU more than anything else.