Putin is convinced he can outlast the West and win in Ukraine

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1. This and the sanctions post in the same day is wild

2. “Diverse influence” assassination, vandalism and assorted crimes. Online Trolling, lying bots and plain old human written Russian disinformation and stick shaking.

3. He probably can in all likelihood.

4. But what about his Mafia friends? Can they? 

5. On a long enough timeline and with enough bloody attrition, this *could* be true.

   Putin is a totalitarian dictator with no personal incentive to stop the bleeding on Russia’s side. Leaders that can happily march their boys into a meat grinder month after month, year after year, can absolutely outlast leaders who care about their people (provided they’ve got enough meat, which Russia unfortunately does)

6. Because that’s all he has known. Chechnya. Georgia. Crimea. Donbas.

   It sometimes takes a while for it to sink in that something is different this time.

7. Unfortunately no one is fucking winning in Ukraine. Maybe Putin himself, but not the Russian nor Ukrainian people

8. I am convinced of the same.

9. He has to believe this. Otherwise he and his friends and families face certain death!

10. Why is it that these people in power always live to their late 80’s or 90’s.

11. Convince him otherwise.

12. So basically they plan to win in the most self-destructive and bloody way possible because they aren’t capable of anything else, and their strategy is based on the Western powers not giving enough of a shit about Ukraine.

    Ok, and once you’ve shattered a generation of young men and exhausted your economy to rule a nation with a bombed out industry and mined farmland, what then Mr. Putin? Eventually you’ll run out of ethnic minorities and prisoners to dispose of, then the ethnic Russians will have to do their own fighting, against NATO no less. How do you think that’ll go?

    This whole thing is Russian national suicide. Their theoretical victory condition is if literally every Western nation of military consequence just fucks off due to Russian online troll farms and lets them do whatever they want, thus confirming Russian cultural superiority or something.

13. As an American, I watched so many people support Ukraine right away.

    Now those people are falling for weird information and trying to get America to withdraw support.

14. Third year of the hot war and ten years into a simmering conflict and people still take what Pudding and his cronies say at face value. Every outward expression, move, word is crafted carefully to make their opponents confused, questioning, restless, concerned, and most importantly, weak.

    They want you to think any effort to oppose the fsb’s neotsarist imperium is hopeless and you should just give up. Hell thy don’t even want you to like them, just stand out their way.

    It’s crucial to recall the internal situation of POZzia is almost completely opaque, any official figure, poll coming out of there went through the same machinations. How people feel, how the economy is actually doing, wee can only guess. But I feel like it’s much less of a colossus than they want you to think.

15. His alternative is believing that he’s going to die, so… yeah no kidding he believes that. He also believed that he was going to take Kyiv and install a puppet government with a VDV raid on Hostomel, he believed that Russia was prepared for a war, and he believes that NATO was going to back down in the face of his aggression, when the reality is that NATO gained two new members.

    So maybe don’t take his word for much.

16. But can he outlast cancer?

17. Could *conceivably* outlast them physically, if the risk to escalation became undeniable, but the effect we’d see on Russia as a population and economy could be devastating.

18. Totally forgot about this loser lol

19. How could putler do this to us???

20. Bruh, I hate the guts out of this guy but he DID outlast Johnson and very likely Biden at the very least. And these were two of the loudest supporters of Ukraine.

    The western propagandists yelling how Russia is about to collapse within weeks or months, Lukashenko will get overthrown any minute now, and Putin will be executed or die from Parkinsons Cancer or whatever are honestly ridiculous by now.

21. He might. Still every piece of Equipment desroyed is one less. Every dead solider in his is one less He can use for future meatgrinders. Every day Ukraine resist is one day, He has a harder time to influence other countrys Like He did with Ukraine for years.
    If it is a “Victory” let it be a pyrrhic victory. One where he cannot afford Future wars. Time is (Long Term) against russia. Their birthrate is declining. Something really Bad for a country that is loosing people in a war as well.

22. let the meat grinder grind

    Russian Casualities: 409,820 losses (180,000 killed)

    Nato Casualities: 0