Greens call for four day working week with no loss of pay
August 1, 2024
Greens call for four day working week with no loss of pay
by okjob_io
17 comments
FOUR DAY WEEK
THREE DAY BENDER
WITH A WHOLE WEEK’S PAY
IM A REAL BIG SPENDER
1. Left leaning group suggests four day work week.
2. Pilot scheme occurs.
3. Scheme finds singificant benefits with little to no drawbacks.
4. News article posted about findings of pilot scheme.
5. Wait 6 months, repeat step 1.
Unicorns for everyone!!
If over 5 days you are meant to work say 40 hours & your business means you can do these hours over 4 days then fine…
Before the usual critique of ‘but muh service needs are 5 days a week’, an organisation can structure a shift rota so there’s still service Monday-Friday, just with different people.
This will just be for Public sector workers I guess?
A four day working week sounds good, but you always need to know how long the weekend is going to be under whatever scheme they’ve concocted. The current normal working week is five days out of seven, 5/7≈0.71 so that’s a reasonable baseline for comparison. The best case would be the lost working day becoming a weekend day, so we’re now at 4/7, about 0.57 of days are workdays. Alternatively, if the weekend is still two days, then it’s 4/6, or 0.67, still a bit better than what we have now. The one to watch for is if they *reduce* the weekend in conjunction with reducing the working week, so there’s now only one weekend day, workdays are 4 out of 5, or 0.8: a situation significantly worse as a proportion than the current system.
Really is hilarious when you think about it that working 4 days every week until you’re nearly 70, with nothing to show for it at the end is somehow a progressive idea that is so unworkable it takes decades to introduce.
We’ve had a number done on us accepting how abnormal the human life is.
Unless there’s a 25% improvement in productivity there will be a loss of real income. Even if you’re paid the same the economy isn’t producing as much so surely inflation would increase?
Also what about places like nurseries, which can’t improve productivity as they are time based. Their wage costs are going to increase 25% overnight, which would have to be passed on.
Its real for certain proffesions where the shifts can be long, like healthcare with 12 hours shifts, but most people want to earn a full weeks money and most people are paid by the hour.
Four day week for the same wage? I’ll work the fifth day as well if I can get a pro-rata pay increase.
It’s a pretty easy schedule to work, I did it for 3 years. We had 2 teams, one had Thur/Fri/Sat off and the other had Sun/Mon/Tues off. There was an overlap day on Wednesday when both teams were in at that same and that’s when we had “team” meetings etc.
Is there solid evidence that this doesn’t reduce productivity? Because our country is struggling with worker output as it is, and it’s bogging the economy down.
I’ve worked a 4 day week for the last 16 years in my job,rotating 2 days off,never work Sundays,which means I get a 5 day weekend every 3 weeks.Yes you work longer days(3x 10 and 1×7.5)yes you work Saturdays but the benefit of the 5 day weekend,means I can recharge or get away for a wee break if I so desire.Its not for everyone,some of my friends prefer Mon-Fri and every weekend off,but on the other hand get jealous when I’m off two days during the week,horses for courses and as mentioned businesses don’t like change.
Classic green middle class obsession. This is fine in an office based business and if there is seriously no drop in productivity then (I doubt it but not for me to say what all businesses do) then who cares.
However there are lots of jobs that require you to actually be at work for it to work. How on earth would someone working in a shop bar or restaurant work less hours for the same pay without a drop in productivity. The business would then need to employ more staff to cover those shifts or shut. And I am sure all these people who are off want to do things on there day off.
Lmao.
As was demonstrated by Elton Mayo in the 1930s (the Hawthorn experiments), pilot work schemes almost always show an increase in productivity when you change working conditions – and it always falls back when things settle down. Anyone who thinks that there will be a sustained 20%+ rise in productivity from working 4 days per week is deluded. All it leads to is lower wages and Scotland becoming poorer.
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FOUR DAY WEEK
THREE DAY BENDER
WITH A WHOLE WEEK’S PAY
IM A REAL BIG SPENDER
1. Left leaning group suggests four day work week.
2. Pilot scheme occurs.
3. Scheme finds singificant benefits with little to no drawbacks.
4. News article posted about findings of pilot scheme.
5. Wait 6 months, repeat step 1.
Unicorns for everyone!!
If over 5 days you are meant to work say 40 hours & your business means you can do these hours over 4 days then fine…
Before the usual critique of ‘but muh service needs are 5 days a week’, an organisation can structure a shift rota so there’s still service Monday-Friday, just with different people.
This will just be for Public sector workers I guess?
A four day working week sounds good, but you always need to know how long the weekend is going to be under whatever scheme they’ve concocted. The current normal working week is five days out of seven, 5/7≈0.71 so that’s a reasonable baseline for comparison. The best case would be the lost working day becoming a weekend day, so we’re now at 4/7, about 0.57 of days are workdays. Alternatively, if the weekend is still two days, then it’s 4/6, or 0.67, still a bit better than what we have now.
The one to watch for is if they *reduce* the weekend in conjunction with reducing the working week, so there’s now only one weekend day, workdays are 4 out of 5, or 0.8: a situation significantly worse as a proportion than the current system.
Really is hilarious when you think about it that working 4 days every week until you’re nearly 70, with nothing to show for it at the end is somehow a progressive idea that is so unworkable it takes decades to introduce.
We’ve had a number done on us accepting how abnormal the human life is.
Unless there’s a 25% improvement in productivity there will be a loss of real income. Even if you’re paid the same the economy isn’t producing as much so surely inflation would increase?
Also what about places like nurseries, which can’t improve productivity as they are time based. Their wage costs are going to increase 25% overnight, which would have to be passed on.
Its real for certain proffesions where the shifts can be long, like healthcare with 12 hours shifts, but most people want to earn a full weeks money and most people are paid by the hour.
Four day week for the same wage? I’ll work the fifth day as well if I can get a pro-rata pay increase.
It’s a pretty easy schedule to work, I did it for 3 years. We had 2 teams, one had Thur/Fri/Sat off and the other had Sun/Mon/Tues off. There was an overlap day on Wednesday when both teams were in at that same and that’s when we had “team” meetings etc.
Is there solid evidence that this doesn’t reduce productivity? Because our country is struggling with worker output as it is, and it’s bogging the economy down.
I’ve worked a 4 day week for the last 16 years in my job,rotating 2 days off,never work Sundays,which means I get a 5 day weekend every 3 weeks.Yes you work longer days(3x 10 and 1×7.5)yes you work Saturdays but the benefit of the 5 day weekend,means I can recharge or get away for a wee break if I so desire.Its not for everyone,some of my friends prefer Mon-Fri and every weekend off,but on the other hand get jealous when I’m off two days during the week,horses for courses and as mentioned businesses don’t like change.
Classic green middle class obsession. This is fine in an office based business and if there is seriously no drop in productivity then (I doubt it but not for me to say what all businesses do) then who cares.
However there are lots of jobs that require you to actually be at work for it to work. How on earth would someone working in a shop bar or restaurant work less hours for the same pay without a drop in productivity. The business would then need to employ more staff to cover those shifts or shut. And I am sure all these people who are off want to do things on there day off.
Lmao.
As was demonstrated by Elton Mayo in the 1930s (the Hawthorn experiments), pilot work schemes almost always show an increase in productivity when you change working conditions – and it always falls back when things settle down. Anyone who thinks that there will be a sustained 20%+ rise in productivity from working 4 days per week is deluded. All it leads to is lower wages and Scotland becoming poorer.