HomeUkraineF-16 received early warning systems for a missile attack. The aircraft received Terma PIDS+ pylons, which increase the aircraft’s self-defense capabilities during enemy attacks. Sensors enable the aircraft to detect and counter attacking missiles in advance.
F-16 received early warning systems for a missile attack. The aircraft received Terma PIDS+ pylons, which increase the aircraft’s self-defense capabilities during enemy attacks. Sensors enable the aircraft to detect and counter attacking missiles in advance.
August 4, 2024
F-16 received early warning systems for a missile attack. The aircraft received Terma PIDS+ pylons, which increase the aircraft’s self-defense capabilities during enemy attacks. Sensors enable the aircraft to detect and counter attacking missiles in advance.
Worked on these aircraft from block 15’s to 50’s. Truly amazed that they are still updating them. Hope they help in your cause.
I’m sure I speak for most of the civilized world when I say “noice”.
Advanced early warning tech but still using that garbage ass AIM9 launcher on the wingtip station. I hated working on those rail launchers.
Nice! i was wondering what kind of Pylon attachments those were! thank you for the info!
People were wondering why getting the F16 to Ukraine was taking so long, this is what it was. Upgrading the radar, installing helmet queuing, upgrading software for all NATO munitions and US munitions, you know, in case the US starts giving AIM 120C v5 and later. putting the defensive pods for missiles based on what UA will be facing. R37’s are not going to be useful because R37 are good for A50 or IL74 but not an F16 which can pull a much smaller arc in a 9G turn than a R37 can hope to do especially if the F16 with the pods here knows it’s coming! AND all those AGM-88’s can do all three modes!
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For Ukraine, it’s better to protect the F-16s it has rather than seeking out replacements for F-16s it might lose. It’s inevitable that the Russians eventually will shoot down some, perhaps many, F-16s. But PIDS and ECIPS could delay these losses and save pilots’ lives.
How effective PIDS and ECIPS will be largely depends on how the Ukrainians deploy their F-16s. If the fighters mostly fly air-defense missions deep inside Ukrainian territory, they might have to contend with only the longest-range Russian missiles. But if the F-16s fly a lot of ground-attack missions directly over the front, they will face much heavier enemy fire.
But even at their most vulnerable, the F-16s will be better-protected than Ukraine’s old ex-Soviet jets, most of which lack jammers.
It is state of art on top of what is already available with f-16.
Cool but will the pilots need to fly using their phone’s GPS like the Russians?
Being able to detect an incoming missile has little to do with being able to escape it. If a modern missile is successfully tracking a jet, the chance that the jet will escape is pretty slim (missiles are often 2-3x faster than the jet itself, there is no outrunning it).
Really all that happens is that the pilot will attempt to use some flares to distract it, and if his computer is telling him the missile is still coming even after that, he quickly ejects.
Basically speaking, if you are in a fighter jet and are at the point where an AAM or a SAM is tracked and chasing you, you have already failed to begin with (it should never reach that point).
Regular flares work against regular tech infrared homing missiles (it is possible to blind the sensor and escape). Where as chaffe shoots out a cloud of highly reflective metal to confuse radar based missile (most of these are beyond visual range missiles).
However, using either of those doesn’t guarantee that it will work, often times it just doesn’t work and the missile hits the jet anyway. Most likely because the flare or chaffe was shot out too early or too late etc.
The best solution, never be within range of the enemy’s anti-air missiles to begin with. Fly high enough that MANPAD can’t hit you (you don’t have the fly higher than the MANPAD ceiling, instead just fly at a certain altitude where the chance of a MANPAD being able to reach the jet becomes very unlikely, based on the fact that they jet is covering distance at the same time etc), and also don’t fly within range of larger SAM systems or too close to where the enemy have their fighter jets based.
What wins wars, is mostly intel, and correct strategy based on that intel.
Hopefully the USA is constantly feeding Ukraine good intel based on satellite surveillance of Russian forces.
Probably better than anything strapped to russian aircraft with zipties
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Worked on these aircraft from block 15’s to 50’s. Truly amazed that they are still updating them. Hope they help in your cause.
I’m sure I speak for most of the civilized world when I say “noice”.
Advanced early warning tech but still using that garbage ass AIM9 launcher on the wingtip station. I hated working on those rail launchers.
Nice! i was wondering what kind of Pylon attachments those were! thank you for the info!
People were wondering why getting the F16 to Ukraine was taking so long, this is what it was. Upgrading the radar, installing helmet queuing, upgrading software for all NATO munitions and US munitions, you know, in case the US starts giving AIM 120C v5 and later. putting the defensive pods for missiles based on what UA will be facing. R37’s are not going to be useful because R37 are good for A50 or IL74 but not an F16 which can pull a much smaller arc in a 9G turn than a R37 can hope to do especially if the F16 with the pods here knows it’s coming! AND all those AGM-88’s can do all three modes!
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For Ukraine, it’s better to protect the F-16s it has rather than seeking out replacements for F-16s it might lose. It’s inevitable that the Russians eventually will shoot down some, perhaps many, F-16s. But PIDS and ECIPS could delay these losses and save pilots’ lives.
How effective PIDS and ECIPS will be largely depends on how the Ukrainians deploy their F-16s. If the fighters mostly fly air-defense missions deep inside Ukrainian territory, they might have to contend with only the longest-range Russian missiles. But if the F-16s fly a lot of ground-attack missions directly over the front, they will face much heavier enemy fire.
But even at their most vulnerable, the F-16s will be better-protected than Ukraine’s old ex-Soviet jets, most of which lack jammers.
It is state of art on top of what is already available with f-16.
Cool but will the pilots need to fly using their phone’s GPS like the Russians?
Being able to detect an incoming missile has little to do with being able to escape it.
If a modern missile is successfully tracking a jet, the chance that the jet will escape is pretty slim (missiles are often 2-3x faster than the jet itself, there is no outrunning it).
Really all that happens is that the pilot will attempt to use some flares to distract it, and if his computer is telling him the missile is still coming even after that, he quickly ejects.
Basically speaking, if you are in a fighter jet and are at the point where an AAM or a SAM is tracked and chasing you, you have already failed to begin with (it should never reach that point).
Regular flares work against regular tech infrared homing missiles (it is possible to blind the sensor and escape).
Where as chaffe shoots out a cloud of highly reflective metal to confuse radar based missile (most of these are beyond visual range missiles).
However, using either of those doesn’t guarantee that it will work, often times it just doesn’t work and the missile hits the jet anyway. Most likely because the flare or chaffe was shot out too early or too late etc.
The best solution, never be within range of the enemy’s anti-air missiles to begin with. Fly high enough that MANPAD can’t hit you (you don’t have the fly higher than the MANPAD ceiling, instead just fly at a certain altitude where the chance of a MANPAD being able to reach the jet becomes very unlikely, based on the fact that they jet is covering distance at the same time etc), and also don’t fly within range of larger SAM systems or too close to where the enemy have their fighter jets based.
What wins wars, is mostly intel, and correct strategy based on that intel.
Hopefully the USA is constantly feeding Ukraine good intel based on satellite surveillance of Russian forces.
Probably better than anything strapped to russian aircraft with zipties
Ohh that’s sexy .