I don’t what our foreign relations standing is with Romania but this just set us back 50 years
What a shitshow eh
This statement gives big “sorry I sold the medal four seconds before you asked for it back” energy as a response.
What a ridiculous failure of a needlessly dogmatic system. Just give out two bronzes!!
What the hell kind of “court” refuses to consider relevant evidence when making a decision?
youd have to pry it from my cold dead hands, come and get me.
Just to be clear, arbitration is always final, pretty much everywhere. So it makes sense that the CAS did not review the case it already decided.
That said, you can appeal CAS awards to the Swiss Federal courts, and USA Gymnastics intends to do just that.
>“We are deeply disappointed by the notification and will continue to pursue every possible avenue and appeal process, including to the Swiss Federal Tribunal, to ensure the just scoring, placement, and medal award for Jordan.”
Switzerland being a hub of international business, has an explicit provision in its law allowing the appeal of arbitration if new evidence comes to light. In [Article 190a of the PILA:](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1988/1776_1776_1776/en)
>A party may request a review of an award if:
>a) It has subsequently become aware of significant facts or uncovered decisive evidence which it could not have produced in the earlier proceedings despite exercising due diligence; the foregoing does not apply to facts or evidence that came into existence after the award was issued;
>…
>The request for a review must be filed within 90 days of the grounds for review coming to light.
The court would then order the CAS to re-hear the case including the new evidence. I think the only way the appeal fails is if the court rules that due diligence would have found this evidence before the proceedings.
How are they going to go back after review, admit they were wrong, then come back again now and say they were wrong but you were 4 seconds too late on catching our mistake? That just seems so stupid.
It’s funny because the rightful 3rd place finisher still won’t get a medal. This whole situation is screwed up beyond belief.
>The head of a panel that ruled that the American gymnast Jordan Chiles had to give up her Olympic bronze medal in favor of a Romanian athlete has represented Romania for almost a decade in arbitration cases, documents show.
>The three members of a special tribunal convened for the Olympics by the Court of Arbitration for Sport after Romania lodged a complaint ruled that a successful appeal made by Chiles’s coach over the points awarded to her in the floor exercise competition was initiated four seconds late. The Romanian athlete, Ana Barbosu, was awarded the bronze medal as a result of the panel’s decision, and Chiles was dropped to fifth place.
>…
>Katherine Simpson, an international arbitrator and one of the authors of the opinion piece that first disclosed Mr. Gharavi’s work for Romania, said that even if none of the parties objected, his work on behalf of Romania was significant and meant he would automatically have had to recuse himself under the IBA’s so-called red list of non-waivable activities.
>“I don’t understand — especially given the visibility of the case — why he was proposed for this case and why he did not refuse the case when it was offered,” said Ms. Simpson, who is not connected to the case.
>Mr. Gharavi won a case on behalf of Romania as recently as June, and his biography on his firm’s website lists Romania as a regular client.
this incident will have all coaches challenge immediately after results are published.
Judged sports are dumb.
They can’t take it if she “loses” it. 🤷🏻♂️
What if she says no?
Or the USA cook up a replica medal to give back?
What evidence did Romania present that the USA coach was late to challenge???
Waiting for the news that she filed a police report for her medal being stolen only for it to show up on pawn stars in 20 years
If I were her, I’d keep it regardless😂
Im not sure why the current system relies so heavily on real-time, subjective judging while still using a rigid bureaucracy that adds complication and user error.
Gymnastics is an objective competition. So why aren’t they using multiple cameras to catch mistakes and an independent group of officiating staff making sure difficulty and deductions are accounted for correctly?
It seems there’s always some issue with the incorrect points being awarded, deductions being missed or added incorrectly.
The judges fucked up obviously, but Romania is very much to blame here and I hate the people defending them when their “we’re fine if Jordan also got a bronze” is such an obvious PR move after they moved like a snake to steal her medal. It’s on them that they brought up the “60 seconds to challenge if you go last” rule and they knew where that would lead.
at this point just give them both bronze, this is embarrassing for the Olympic committee
The US just needs to sue the absolute pants off the FIG. Utter and unconscionable incompetence in every aspect of this situation.
Come n take it
or what
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Did the Swiss thing already fail?
Sucks for both athletes to have to deal with this because the IOC fucked uo and can’t admit that.
The worst part of all this is the athlete getting the medal is the only one who doesn’t have an argument for it. Chiles got deducted a tenth on her difficulty score and the other Romanian gymnast got deducted for stepping out when she never stepped out. If either of these mistakes were judged properly, the gymnast who currently has the bronze medal would be off the podium
Jordan Chiles: You want this medal, come pry it from my cold, dead hands IOC
Tell them to come take it. We got your back, Jordan.
That bronze probably looks like shit by now anyway
Man, that is some bullshit.
How have they made a stupid decision back to back to back to back?
Seemed to have misplaced the medal in my luggage? 🤷♀️
I wish common sense was used a bit more when it came to the olympics and the IOC
It’s the (generally) small window when the whole world cares a lot about gymnastics. Why be so ridiculous with the rules. Give em both Bronze. Damaging publicity far exceeds the value of the medal already
Come get it back in blood-Pooh Shiesty
Bruh, I’d just say I lost it.
It will be interesting to see if the Romanian gymnast competes in 2028. I’m guessing the home crowd won’t receive her well.
Keep it
Between this and amber with the skeet, this olympics has been very sus
I’m not well versed on gymnastics, I just casually watch it, but here’s my opinion on this.
All three athletes are the victims. Jordan, Anna, and Sabrina are going through unnecessary administration fighting that it’s probably soured their experience. I think the best thing would have been to share the bronze and NOT strip Jordan of her medal as Romania suggested. Not sure why the US refused this suggestion, prob cause they thought they could use their weight to get their way, but it massively backfired and NOW Jordan will be stripped of the medal.
They could have accepted this tie WHILE appealing for a final decision, but I’m not sure why the US didn’t take this route. The athletes shouldn’t be punished for administrative errors, but that’s what is happening here.
Again, I’m just a casual in gymnastics and it’s my opinion. Both Romanian Olympians, Anna and Sabrina, and Jordan deserve better.
Hahahaha no one is giving up that gold medal. Come and pry it from her American fingers ya bunch of losers.
Genuinely curious, what if she doesn’t?
It’s not over yet.
My heart just breaks for Jordan (and Ana for that matter) 💔💔
Ya I wouldn’t be returning shit, send me to collections…
I hope this doesn’t crush her and she keeps on competing and getting better, shame on the Olympic community for being power hoarders.
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I don’t what our foreign relations standing is with Romania but this just set us back 50 years
What a shitshow eh
This statement gives big “sorry I sold the medal four seconds before you asked for it back” energy as a response.
What a ridiculous failure of a needlessly dogmatic system. Just give out two bronzes!!
What the hell kind of “court” refuses to consider relevant evidence when making a decision?
youd have to pry it from my cold dead hands, come and get me.
Just to be clear, arbitration is always final, pretty much everywhere. So it makes sense that the CAS did not review the case it already decided.
That said, you can appeal CAS awards to the Swiss Federal courts, and USA Gymnastics intends to do just that.
>“We are deeply disappointed by the notification and will continue to pursue every possible avenue and appeal process, including to the Swiss Federal Tribunal, to ensure the just scoring, placement, and medal award for Jordan.”
Switzerland being a hub of international business, has an explicit provision in its law allowing the appeal of arbitration if new evidence comes to light. In [Article 190a of the PILA:](https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1988/1776_1776_1776/en)
>A party may request a review of an award if:
>a) It has subsequently become aware of significant facts or uncovered decisive evidence which it could not have produced in the earlier proceedings despite exercising due diligence; the foregoing does not apply to facts or evidence that came into existence after the award was issued;
>…
>The request for a review must be filed within 90 days of the grounds for review coming to light.
The court would then order the CAS to re-hear the case including the new evidence. I think the only way the appeal fails is if the court rules that due diligence would have found this evidence before the proceedings.
How are they going to go back after review, admit they were wrong, then come back again now and say they were wrong but you were 4 seconds too late on catching our mistake? That just seems so stupid.
It’s funny because the rightful 3rd place finisher still won’t get a medal. This whole situation is screwed up beyond belief.
Usa gymnastics about to go full force
>[Head of Panel That Ruled Against Jordan Chiles Represents Romania in Other Cases](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/13/world/europe/olympics-jordan-chiles.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ck4.Zjoj.xzy9RsuDzjus&smid=re-share)
>The head of a panel that ruled that the American gymnast Jordan Chiles had to give up her Olympic bronze medal in favor of a Romanian athlete has represented Romania for almost a decade in arbitration cases, documents show.
>The three members of a special tribunal convened for the Olympics by the Court of Arbitration for Sport after Romania lodged a complaint ruled that a successful appeal made by Chiles’s coach over the points awarded to her in the floor exercise competition was initiated four seconds late. The Romanian athlete, Ana Barbosu, was awarded the bronze medal as a result of the panel’s decision, and Chiles was dropped to fifth place.
>…
>Katherine Simpson, an international arbitrator and one of the authors of the opinion piece that first disclosed Mr. Gharavi’s work for Romania, said that even if none of the parties objected, his work on behalf of Romania was significant and meant he would automatically have had to recuse himself under the IBA’s so-called red list of non-waivable activities.
>“I don’t understand — especially given the visibility of the case — why he was proposed for this case and why he did not refuse the case when it was offered,” said Ms. Simpson, who is not connected to the case.
>Mr. Gharavi won a case on behalf of Romania as recently as June, and his biography on his firm’s website lists Romania as a regular client.
this incident will have all coaches challenge immediately after results are published.
Judged sports are dumb.
They can’t take it if she “loses” it. 🤷🏻♂️
What if she says no?
Or the USA cook up a replica medal to give back?
What evidence did Romania present that the USA coach was late to challenge???
Waiting for the news that she filed a police report for her medal being stolen only for it to show up on pawn stars in 20 years
If I were her, I’d keep it regardless😂
Im not sure why the current system relies so heavily on real-time, subjective judging while still using a rigid bureaucracy that adds complication and user error.
Gymnastics is an objective competition. So why aren’t they using multiple cameras to catch mistakes and an independent group of officiating staff making sure difficulty and deductions are accounted for correctly?
It seems there’s always some issue with the incorrect points being awarded, deductions being missed or added incorrectly.
The judges fucked up obviously, but Romania is very much to blame here and I hate the people defending them when their “we’re fine if Jordan also got a bronze” is such an obvious PR move after they moved like a snake to steal her medal. It’s on them that they brought up the “60 seconds to challenge if you go last” rule and they knew where that would lead.
at this point just give them both bronze, this is embarrassing for the Olympic committee
The US just needs to sue the absolute pants off the FIG. Utter and unconscionable incompetence in every aspect of this situation.
Come n take it
or what
[removed]
Did the Swiss thing already fail?
Sucks for both athletes to have to deal with this because the IOC fucked uo and can’t admit that.
The worst part of all this is the athlete getting the medal is the only one who doesn’t have an argument for it. Chiles got deducted a tenth on her difficulty score and the other Romanian gymnast got deducted for stepping out when she never stepped out. If either of these mistakes were judged properly, the gymnast who currently has the bronze medal would be off the podium
Jordan Chiles: You want this medal, come pry it from my cold, dead hands IOC
Tell them to come take it. We got your back, Jordan.
That bronze probably looks like shit by now anyway
Man, that is some bullshit.
How have they made a stupid decision back to back to back to back?
Seemed to have misplaced the medal in my luggage? 🤷♀️
I wish common sense was used a bit more when it came to the olympics and the IOC
It’s the (generally) small window when the whole world cares a lot about gymnastics. Why be so ridiculous with the rules. Give em both Bronze. Damaging publicity far exceeds the value of the medal already
Come get it back in blood-Pooh Shiesty
Bruh, I’d just say I lost it.
It will be interesting to see if the Romanian gymnast competes in 2028. I’m guessing the home crowd won’t receive her well.
Keep it
Between this and amber with the skeet, this olympics has been very sus
I’m not well versed on gymnastics, I just casually watch it, but here’s my opinion on this.
All three athletes are the victims. Jordan, Anna, and Sabrina are going through unnecessary administration fighting that it’s probably soured their experience. I think the best thing would have been to share the bronze and NOT strip Jordan of her medal as Romania suggested. Not sure why the US refused this suggestion, prob cause they thought they could use their weight to get their way, but it massively backfired and NOW Jordan will be stripped of the medal.
They could have accepted this tie WHILE appealing for a final decision, but I’m not sure why the US didn’t take this route. The athletes shouldn’t be punished for administrative errors, but that’s what is happening here.
Again, I’m just a casual in gymnastics and it’s my opinion. Both Romanian Olympians, Anna and Sabrina, and Jordan deserve better.
Hahahaha no one is giving up that gold medal. Come and pry it from her American fingers ya bunch of losers.
Genuinely curious, what if she doesn’t?
It’s not over yet.
My heart just breaks for Jordan (and Ana for that matter) 💔💔
Ya I wouldn’t be returning shit, send me to collections…
I hope this doesn’t crush her and she keeps on competing and getting better, shame on the Olympic community for being power hoarders.