Russian forces are rapidly digging a network of trenches in Kursk Oblast, with only one catch: The trenches are 45km behind the border. Russian forces have been developing a trench network that, if fallen back to, would cede Ukraine a massive amount of territory.
They had trenches on the original border didn’t they? They need to fill them with competent individuals and I don’t think that is a given at this point.
Mordor is in deep shit.
Yeah no shit, good trenches and fortifications take weeks/months to build and putting them on the frontline before they are finished would make no sense.
If they have to fall back that far chances are they will start mining everything anyways.
Falling back to straight line, unreinforced trenches, in open territory. The ultimate meat grinder.
In this expansion, the Ukrainians will certainly need more Mavic observation drones, communication antennas and engineering equipment, so if you can and want to help, try to look at the work of the [Liberty Ukraine Foundation](https://x.com/LibertyUkraineF?t=i5p8FHUh38iJjbrH38VdnQ&s=09), they help several brigades through the donation of volunteers around the world
Is the nuclear plant behind the new trench line?
If you havent noticed.. they are doing it along the main major roads/highways.
This means the Russian are prioritizing securing the roads first – so they can bring in more reinforcement.
Just like the Ukrainians control the entrance and exit of the major roads when they entered Kursk. (By passing the major populated towns/cities)
Both know by securing the roads, you secure your logistics supplies.
Man Russian forces are a one trick pony.
Problem? -> trench and bodies.
Born too late to witness the battle of Kursk, but born just in time to witness the battle of Kursk
If Ukraine took control of the E38 highway the Russians are fucked. That’s why they are building fortifications seemingly further back.
This is called trading land for time.
I was making this comment days ago. Russia is throwing meat at the ukranians not to stop them but to just slow them down enough that they can throw up a line of trenches closer to Kursk city
Title is dramatic, and ukraine has done similar in the past.
These fortification are dug back because obviously you can’t really dig large scale defenses right on the Frontline in range of enemy munitions.
They also have to pick somewhere that’s easier to resupply and rotate troops, as well as being shortening the supply lines. It has the added benefit of lengthening Ukrainian supply lines to fight kn the new front line, every kilometer adds difficulty.
This is an expected move, Ukraine or any defending nation with sufficient operational depth would do the same.
There ar 2 Rail lines servicing Belgorod. They are the black lines in this image:
Ukraine has already cut the western one with its current Special Military operation. If they head approximately 40 miles east from their current positions, they can sever the last rail connection to Belgorod. That would likely collapse the entire Russian Kharkiv front.
While the orcs are trying to protect their nuclear power plant and Kursk, Ukraine may many other tricks up their sleeve.
Ukraine can cut in from the left of the map to try to flank them
Time to make a turn on the south and sabotage everything that is used for logistic, com, rail, road.
Putin was Right! Russia has no borders.
They are accepting territorial realities.
those look more like tank ditches then trenches. my guess would be they are only good if they can get close air support
Putin doesn’t know Ukraines end game and is trying to protect Moscow. Everyone else F-UR-SELF!
Winter is coming.
Imagine being the commander tasked with building that line in record time, just to keep Mr. Putin satisfied… No pressure at all.
I’m pretty sure his relatives are well-guarded, so he won’t be jumping into Ukraine anytime soon.
I would like to congratulate Ukraine on the new land they own
First, I was sceptical but now that you think about it, if they expand to this trenches they can attack and take chunk of Belgorod
I know this would be 5d chess and no one would ever think of it. If they’re building it east west like that…. Couldn’t the Ukrainians just go around? There’s a whole other oblast to the north.
The next “Victory Day” in Russia is gonna be a bit awkward for many.
This. Naturally there have been doubters of the utility and success of this incursion. This post alone is worth the price of admission.
Russians are often stupid in their warfare and show no consideration for their own soldiers. But they’re really good and fast at digging trenches. Ukraine has to learn from its opponent here.
Issa trap
The Russian army has elevated to be the 2nd strongest army in Russia.
This is gonna be a hard problem to solve… they could easily break in somewhere else too unless Russia can defend its whole border which is HUGE
How are they digging these trenches? Aren’t they being shot by their own for these cowardly retreats?
It’s south of the Kursk nuclear power plant. Russia seems to be determined to defend its nuclear power plants at all costs. It seems like Ukraine should be able to obstruct this fortification, but? Do they not have enough military strength to prevent them, or do they have no intention of suppressing nuclear power plants and do not care if they are created?
I thought there was recorded evidence of ua troops at l’gov already?
Imagine if Ukrainian just roll past those trenches and leave orcs in there.. GG..
It’s me or the map doesn’t move a bit since day 2 ? Except east. It means Russians are containing UA on the west/north since day 2, interesting
Russians lost most of their ability to conduct mobile warfare. What they still can do is trench warfare.
They are digging the red line ?
Nice. This is about the amount of area I thought would make a good spot for Ukraine to occupy (there’s a river up there that makes a good natural obstacle)
Ukraine broke though the first line of defense in the Kursk region, witch Russia had the entire war to do, i don’t think that these will slow them down very much, they Russians will just surrender.
I believe it’s going to be a very different dynamic on Russian soil, with Ukraine facing mostly conscripts instead of village idiots from the far East. I bet the conscripts are generally smarter …and therefore more likely to surrender. Because they are much more likely to be more worldly, and know that Ukraine treats prisoners humanely. We could be about to see mass surrender scenarios.
Question: if Ukraine pushed to line and holds, cans they arty or himars the power stations at the power plant from there
Not like they could build trenches on an active front line is it. Ukraine should manoeuvre around them. Russian army tactics are very static, Ukraine can swing to the east.
Hopefully Ukraine will rupture those lines and really send them running.
The problem with Russia is that it is such a huge country.
They can easily retreat 50km but only give up 1% of their land area in the process.
A 50km deep stretch of land is nothing compared to the size of Russia.
When Napoleon and Hitler attacked they both went more than a thousand km deep into Russia only to get thoroughly defeated.
What is the range of their artillery?
Is it somewhere around 45km?
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They had trenches on the original border didn’t they? They need to fill them with competent individuals and I don’t think that is a given at this point.
Mordor is in deep shit.
Yeah no shit, good trenches and fortifications take weeks/months to build and putting them on the frontline before they are finished would make no sense.
If they have to fall back that far chances are they will start mining everything anyways.
Falling back to straight line, unreinforced trenches, in open territory. The ultimate meat grinder.
In this expansion, the Ukrainians will certainly need more Mavic observation drones, communication antennas and engineering equipment, so if you can and want to help, try to look at the work of the [Liberty Ukraine Foundation](https://x.com/LibertyUkraineF?t=i5p8FHUh38iJjbrH38VdnQ&s=09), they help several brigades through the donation of volunteers around the world
Is the nuclear plant behind the new trench line?
If you havent noticed.. they are doing it along the main major roads/highways.
This means the Russian are prioritizing securing the roads first – so they can bring in more reinforcement.
Just like the Ukrainians control the entrance and exit of the major roads when they entered Kursk. (By passing the major populated towns/cities)
Both know by securing the roads, you secure your logistics supplies.
Man Russian forces are a one trick pony.
Problem? -> trench and bodies.
Born too late to witness the battle of Kursk, but born just in time to witness the battle of Kursk
If Ukraine took control of the E38 highway the Russians are fucked. That’s why they are building fortifications seemingly further back.
This is called trading land for time.
I was making this comment days ago. Russia is throwing meat at the ukranians not to stop them but to just slow them down enough that they can throw up a line of trenches closer to Kursk city
Title is dramatic, and ukraine has done similar in the past.
These fortification are dug back because obviously you can’t really dig large scale defenses right on the Frontline in range of enemy munitions.
They also have to pick somewhere that’s easier to resupply and rotate troops, as well as being shortening the supply lines. It has the added benefit of lengthening Ukrainian supply lines to fight kn the new front line, every kilometer adds difficulty.
This is an expected move, Ukraine or any defending nation with sufficient operational depth would do the same.
There ar 2 Rail lines servicing Belgorod. They are the black lines in this image:
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GU3sr7UXsAARwYm?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GU3sr7UXsAARwYm?format=jpg&name=medium)
Ukraine has already cut the western one with its current Special Military operation. If they head approximately 40 miles east from their current positions, they can sever the last rail connection to Belgorod. That would likely collapse the entire Russian Kharkiv front.
While the orcs are trying to protect their nuclear power plant and Kursk, Ukraine may many other tricks up their sleeve.
Ukraine can cut in from the left of the map to try to flank them
Time to make a turn on the south and sabotage everything that is used for logistic, com, rail, road.
Putin was Right! Russia has no borders.
They are accepting territorial realities.
those look more like tank ditches then trenches. my guess would be they are only good if they can get close air support
Putin doesn’t know Ukraines end game and is trying to protect Moscow. Everyone else F-UR-SELF!
Winter is coming.
Imagine being the commander tasked with building that line in record time, just to keep Mr. Putin satisfied… No pressure at all.
I’m pretty sure his relatives are well-guarded, so he won’t be jumping into Ukraine anytime soon.
I would like to congratulate Ukraine on the new land they own
First, I was sceptical but now that you think about it, if they expand to this trenches they can attack and take chunk of Belgorod
I know this would be 5d chess and no one would ever think of it. If they’re building it east west like that…. Couldn’t the Ukrainians just go around? There’s a whole other oblast to the north.
The next “Victory Day” in Russia is gonna be a bit awkward for many.
This. Naturally there have been doubters of the utility and success of this incursion. This post alone is worth the price of admission.
Russians are often stupid in their warfare and show no consideration for their own soldiers. But they’re really good and fast at digging trenches. Ukraine has to learn from its opponent here.
Issa trap
The Russian army has elevated to be the 2nd strongest army in Russia.
This is gonna be a hard problem to solve… they could easily break in somewhere else too unless Russia can defend its whole border which is HUGE
How are they digging these trenches? Aren’t they being shot by their own for these cowardly retreats?
It’s south of the Kursk nuclear power plant. Russia seems to be determined to defend its nuclear power plants at all costs. It seems like Ukraine should be able to obstruct this fortification, but? Do they not have enough military strength to prevent them, or do they have no intention of suppressing nuclear power plants and do not care if they are created?
I thought there was recorded evidence of ua troops at l’gov already?
Imagine if Ukrainian just roll past those trenches and leave orcs in there.. GG..
It’s me or the map doesn’t move a bit since day 2 ? Except east. It means Russians are containing UA on the west/north since day 2, interesting
Russians lost most of their ability to conduct mobile warfare. What they still can do is trench warfare.
They are digging the red line ?
Nice. This is about the amount of area I thought would make a good spot for Ukraine to occupy (there’s a river up there that makes a good natural obstacle)
Ukraine broke though the first line of defense in the Kursk region, witch Russia had the entire war to do, i don’t think that these will slow them down very much, they Russians will just surrender.
I believe it’s going to be a very different dynamic on Russian soil, with Ukraine facing mostly conscripts instead of village idiots from the far East. I bet the conscripts are generally smarter …and therefore more likely to surrender. Because they are much more likely to be more worldly, and know that Ukraine treats prisoners humanely. We could be about to see mass surrender scenarios.
Question: if Ukraine pushed to line and holds, cans they arty or himars the power stations at the power plant from there
Not like they could build trenches on an active front line is it. Ukraine should manoeuvre around them. Russian army tactics are very static, Ukraine can swing to the east.
Hopefully Ukraine will rupture those lines and really send them running.
The problem with Russia is that it is such a huge country.
They can easily retreat 50km but only give up 1% of their land area in the process.
A 50km deep stretch of land is nothing compared to the size of Russia.
When Napoleon and Hitler attacked they both went more than a thousand km deep into Russia only to get thoroughly defeated.
What is the range of their artillery?
Is it somewhere around 45km?