When you see violent offenders, child predators, domestic abusers, rapists, and many others getting pathetic sentences it is hardly a surprise that people don’t think justice will be served for less severe crimes.
We do need to be tougher, but it’s starting to feel like a manufactured crisis so something Orwellian like social credit lite can be implemented. Just deport some of the 12% of foreign prisoners who aren’t in for really serious shit, ramp up tagging and community service, and sell a couple of London’s 14 prisons and build a mega one somewhere outside Milton Keynes.
In my local crime map 60% of the last three years of crime were unable to prosecute or unable to identify a suspect, just 10% ended up in court unless other which was at 20% but since I don’t know what other is I’d probably assume it’s not a good outcome for victims. That said the 6000 unable to prosecute or no suspect crimes are enough evidence to suggest the outcome won’t be justice.
In terms of ridiculously light sentences? Yes, because that’s true. Or, in terms of the police not having time/staffing to actually show up to “petty” crime like… your house being burgled? Yes, because that’s true too.
I love watching the traffic road police chases on c5 and u see them smash 3 cars almost kill road users speeding running away fron police and I’m thinking he getting 2/3 years then at the end they tell what was given . Had 10 poir convictions ,£250 fine SUSPENDED sentence which means they are free and 50 hours unpaid work. I just shake my head. After 20 substantial crimes automatic 10 years prison or serious intervention
I think just being tougher on crime is pointless and how we ended up with prisons getting full. We need to prosecute more intelligently. Prioritise violent and sexual crimes, those crimes which can’t be rehabilitated. Those crimes which can be rehabilitated like drug use and drug offences should not be treated by throwing the book at them but instead work on stopping them becoming repeat offenders. Most importantly stop the root causes of crimes. Keep young men off the streets and either in school or trades or a YMCA, anything that puts an extra barrier between them and crime.
I’m going to bring up Ward here, because I can.
Spoilers.
It’s post-apocalyptic, except there’s around 2 billion people still, all under a new government on a new earth (And they’re not all from the same country, or speaking the same language, so… good luck…). They have the lottery for crimes. Some severe crimes, sure, those get dealt with straight away. The rest it’s 1/10 chance, based on lottery, that anything gets done about it. And they’re up front about it and just say “yeah well, the world ended, whaddya want”.
And you say “Well what about repeat offenders” and they reply “They’re rolling the dice more times. Statistically speaking, it’s more likely we’ll go after them. We don’t actually have to keep track of who is repeat offending this way, or build a profile, or whatever. Just handle 1/10.” – “Well what if they’re just lucky?” – “If they’re that lucky, we don’t wanna waste resources trying to catch them.”.
I sometimes think that it’s interesting that 14 years of Conservative rule is equivalent to a fictional apocalypse that destroyed most life on earth in terms of impact on the justice system. Except the latter is more honest about the situation. And they have active goals to, within the next few decades, maybe half a century, begin tackling 3/10 crimes rather than just stealing all the money.
On average only 5.7% of crimes result in an arrest. When it does the conviction rate is 75%. Of that 75% two thirds are immediate guilty pleas which for the most part means it’s immediately obvious they are guilty, it also means barely any work was required.
So yeah… Reporting most crimes is mostly pointless and crime pays brilliantly well.
I’ve had 2 bikes stolen, both could have been tracked using CCTV and most likely the thief identified. Instead, I was just told: “here is your crime number, I hope you have insurance.” I’m getting more and more behind the idea of vigilante justice, just go find the fucker that wronged you and get your stuff back, it’s not like the police are going to do anything. I know that will never work, so more funding (like a lot) is needed for the police detectives.
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When you see violent offenders, child predators, domestic abusers, rapists, and many others getting pathetic sentences it is hardly a surprise that people don’t think justice will be served for less severe crimes.
We do need to be tougher, but it’s starting to feel like a manufactured crisis so something Orwellian like social credit lite can be implemented. Just deport some of the 12% of foreign prisoners who aren’t in for really serious shit, ramp up tagging and community service, and sell a couple of London’s 14 prisons and build a mega one somewhere outside Milton Keynes.
In my local crime map 60% of the last three years of crime were unable to prosecute or unable to identify a suspect, just 10% ended up in court unless other which was at 20% but since I don’t know what other is I’d probably assume it’s not a good outcome for victims. That said the 6000 unable to prosecute or no suspect crimes are enough evidence to suggest the outcome won’t be justice.
In terms of ridiculously light sentences? Yes, because that’s true. Or, in terms of the police not having time/staffing to actually show up to “petty” crime like… your house being burgled? Yes, because that’s true too.
I love watching the traffic road police chases on c5 and u see them smash 3 cars almost kill road users speeding running away fron police and I’m thinking he getting 2/3 years then at the end they tell what was given . Had 10 poir convictions ,£250 fine SUSPENDED sentence which means they are free and 50 hours unpaid work. I just shake my head. After 20 substantial crimes automatic 10 years prison or serious intervention
I think just being tougher on crime is pointless and how we ended up with prisons getting full. We need to prosecute more intelligently. Prioritise violent and sexual crimes, those crimes which can’t be rehabilitated. Those crimes which can be rehabilitated like drug use and drug offences should not be treated by throwing the book at them but instead work on stopping them becoming repeat offenders. Most importantly stop the root causes of crimes. Keep young men off the streets and either in school or trades or a YMCA, anything that puts an extra barrier between them and crime.
I’m going to bring up Ward here, because I can.
Spoilers.
It’s post-apocalyptic, except there’s around 2 billion people still, all under a new government on a new earth (And they’re not all from the same country, or speaking the same language, so… good luck…). They have the lottery for crimes. Some severe crimes, sure, those get dealt with straight away. The rest it’s 1/10 chance, based on lottery, that anything gets done about it. And they’re up front about it and just say “yeah well, the world ended, whaddya want”.
And you say “Well what about repeat offenders” and they reply “They’re rolling the dice more times. Statistically speaking, it’s more likely we’ll go after them. We don’t actually have to keep track of who is repeat offending this way, or build a profile, or whatever. Just handle 1/10.” – “Well what if they’re just lucky?” – “If they’re that lucky, we don’t wanna waste resources trying to catch them.”.
I sometimes think that it’s interesting that 14 years of Conservative rule is equivalent to a fictional apocalypse that destroyed most life on earth in terms of impact on the justice system. Except the latter is more honest about the situation. And they have active goals to, within the next few decades, maybe half a century, begin tackling 3/10 crimes rather than just stealing all the money.
On average only 5.7% of crimes result in an arrest. When it does the conviction rate is 75%. Of that 75% two thirds are immediate guilty pleas which for the most part means it’s immediately obvious they are guilty, it also means barely any work was required.
So yeah… Reporting most crimes is mostly pointless and crime pays brilliantly well.
Sources:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1402602/crimes-solved-england-and-wales-by-offence/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100769/conviction-rate-in-england-and-wales/
I’ve had 2 bikes stolen, both could have been tracked using CCTV and most likely the thief identified. Instead, I was just told: “here is your crime number, I hope you have insurance.”
I’m getting more and more behind the idea of vigilante justice, just go find the fucker that wronged you and get your stuff back, it’s not like the police are going to do anything. I know that will never work, so more funding (like a lot) is needed for the police detectives.