have they considered budgeting better and spending less on palaces
Genuinely what are they spending that money on to need what £35m (ballpark number) per year in tuition fees alone.
Secondary school funding is about £6000 per student. Yet universities apparently need more than double that to teach students – despite larger class sizes, less contact time and worse pastoral care. Something is seriously wrong with the whole university funding model.
Go fuck yourself. At the moment students are in enough debt. This isn’t even good debt as the government knows that it will never be paid back. What the government needs to do is pay for university fees, make trades and university alternative more appealing and available.
The really very aggressive PR campaign(s) being undertaken by the universities is really getting quite out of hand.
It’s only a few months back we were hearing that certainly in the tens, if not up to one hundred universities were at imminent risk of going bankrupt.
Perhaps if they stopped selling courses that have absolutely zero practical usage in the real world, except to be able to say “…I’ve got a degree….” (History of Art springs to mind, perhaps unfairly as I have no idea what the syllabus actually is, but it does seem to be pretty pointless and is only one amongst many). Of course selling less courses means that the Deans and assorted other senior team might have to think about paying themselves what they’re really worth, rather than what their ‘Remuneration Committee’ buddy club promote them as being worth as that’s ‘market rate’.
You may find this an ~~interesting~~ **really fracking annoying** read
Have they considered ceasing to be businesses entirely?
Crazy to think that once upon a time the UK had no tuition fees at all, and now I often hear from people in the UK that they’re struggling to repay student loans
I’m french and I paid 5EUR per year for my degree (discount for having a single mum with two kids). But most people pay a £100 to £500 per year. Yes the government funds a lot of it but also we need way less staff because it’s just where people go to study, nothing more. They don’t need student ambassadors, they don’t need to advertise their universities, they don’t need the latest and greatest kits and equipments. I’ll admit it’s nowhere near as fun as being a student in the UK but you get to have way more fun in your twenties with all the money you’ve saved.
You mean too keep up the extravigant lifestyle they have.
Everyone who I know who went too uni received basically no support from teachers. 1 teacher per huge class all paying 9k a year. What a load of tosh
£9250 adjusted for the £ printing since 2017 is ~£12k today. If the headline shocked you, you’re illiterate.
The brilliant neoliberal economic model strikes again. Things will only continue to worsen over the next 30 years.
A lot of people don’t seem to understand the financial perils universities are in. If neither tuition fees nor university grants go up, universities will inevitably need to bring up the admission requirements for domestic students or bring down requirements for international students because then the only way they can balance the books is to bring in even more international students than they do now. This scenario is especially bad for domestic students and the government should do something to avoid it.
Universities in this country are a scam. However, 50% etc. of people should not be going to university. All it has done is devalue degrees, allow for tosh courses to pop up and for students to be scammed out of thousands. University should reflect what is needed within the country, along with funded alternatives.
Our local university has received many millions in the past 15 or so years for research centres. Pretty much all of them have spent money on statement buildings that are architecturally well beyond the requirements for the work being undertaken. In addition to the cost of construction they also have greater overheads required to run them, compared to a regular laboratory/ engineering building.
To my mind a greater percentage of the project funds should go to doing the actual research, rather than into creating prestigious assets for the university in the longer term,
When I went to uni in 2006 when the fees were just brought in my lecturer told me to fill in some random form. I said ok can I borrow a pen… She retorted that I was in university not school and I won’t be getting a pen… I said back excuse me but I’m paying £3000 a year I at least deserve a pen given the year above only had to pay £1500 as they were the pre slc group
Fucking disgusting then and now kids are paying a fortune and still expected to pay for printing.
My former uni always asks alumni to donate like fuck off
It would be good to see a budgeting breakdown of that, so we can see what % actually goes towards the direct education per student and how much goes on general uni requirements
They’re losing high fee paying international students and want British students to make up the difference.
Eh? They’ve been squeezing UK students for years now, and absolutely rinsing foreign kids for crazy sums too. These unis need an audit.
Why? What costs so much? If a course is 20 hours, 30 weeks, that’s 600 hours of tuition/year. Divide that by 60 students and that’s 10 hours/student/year, or 1.5 working days/student/year. Quadruple that for prep time and exams, and we are at 6 working days/student/year. £400/day for a lecturer gets us to £2,400 per year per student. How come the “real” figure is 5x that?
If you’d seen the price for Masters courses this has been clear as day for a while. Some are £18-22k for a year. And usually many aren’t even full time.
The universities should decrease the amount of courses that lead to fuck all careers and save themselves some money. Loads of degrees and institutions simply aren’t worth the ink in the certificate, certainly not for the amount of debt that cause. For many it’s a life time tax for very little.
Long term the country should shift many school leavers into effective work based programs that enable them to progress without being saddled by debt. The idea the majority of professions should value a degree over 3 years of experience and skill acquisition was one of the wildest and most deluded concepts in the last thirty years.
They need to make some huge pay cuts . Where else are they going to go anyway?
You can’t really move towards american levels of tuition fees but still have uk levels of salaries.
Makes sense. They haven’t gone up since 2010 and we’ve had a shiton of inflation since then.
More debt, never retire until youre 90, everything costs more, and you’ll have to work at least 20-30 hours a week in addition to uni to pay for accommodation if you’re unlucky enough to be from a middle class background and not have your life funded by bank of mum and dad.
And if you don’t go to uni, your only options are extremely limited apprenticeship options, retail/food services progression, or the armed forces. With options further limited by geography.
The kids sure do have it great!
Can someone explain how Scottish unis are able to offer education for free and it’s not a problem while I keep seeing English unis complaining that 9k a year isn’t enough?
Universities have massively over extended themselves.
we need less degrees in society. everyone and their dog has a degree now.. people half as smart as me with a degree🤣
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have they considered budgeting better and spending less on palaces
Genuinely what are they spending that money on to need what £35m (ballpark number) per year in tuition fees alone.
Secondary school funding is about £6000 per student. Yet universities apparently need more than double that to teach students – despite larger class sizes, less contact time and worse pastoral care. Something is seriously wrong with the whole university funding model.
Go fuck yourself. At the moment students are in enough debt. This isn’t even good debt as the government knows that it will never be paid back. What the government needs to do is pay for university fees, make trades and university alternative more appealing and available.
The really very aggressive PR campaign(s) being undertaken by the universities is really getting quite out of hand.
It’s only a few months back we were hearing that certainly in the tens, if not up to one hundred universities were at imminent risk of going bankrupt.
Perhaps if they stopped selling courses that have absolutely zero practical usage in the real world, except to be able to say “…I’ve got a degree….” (History of Art springs to mind, perhaps unfairly as I have no idea what the syllabus actually is, but it does seem to be pretty pointless and is only one amongst many). Of course selling less courses means that the Deans and assorted other senior team might have to think about paying themselves what they’re really worth, rather than what their ‘Remuneration Committee’ buddy club promote them as being worth as that’s ‘market rate’.
You may find this an ~~interesting~~ **really fracking annoying** read
[https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/average-vice-chancellor-pay-rises-ps325000-despite-sector-crisis](https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/average-vice-chancellor-pay-rises-ps325000-despite-sector-crisis)
Have they considered ceasing to be businesses entirely?
Crazy to think that once upon a time the UK had no tuition fees at all, and now I often hear from people in the UK that they’re struggling to repay student loans
I’m french and I paid 5EUR per year for my degree (discount for having a single mum with two kids). But most people pay a £100 to £500 per year. Yes the government funds a lot of it but also we need way less staff because it’s just where people go to study, nothing more. They don’t need student ambassadors, they don’t need to advertise their universities, they don’t need the latest and greatest kits and equipments. I’ll admit it’s nowhere near as fun as being a student in the UK but you get to have way more fun in your twenties with all the money you’ve saved.
You mean too keep up the extravigant lifestyle they have.
Everyone who I know who went too uni received basically no support from teachers. 1 teacher per huge class all paying 9k a year. What a load of tosh
£9250 adjusted for the £ printing since 2017 is ~£12k today. If the headline shocked you, you’re illiterate.
The brilliant neoliberal economic model strikes again. Things will only continue to worsen over the next 30 years.
A lot of people don’t seem to understand the financial perils universities are in. If neither tuition fees nor university grants go up, universities will inevitably need to bring up the admission requirements for domestic students or bring down requirements for international students because then the only way they can balance the books is to bring in even more international students than they do now. This scenario is especially bad for domestic students and the government should do something to avoid it.
Universities in this country are a scam. However, 50% etc. of people should not be going to university. All it has done is devalue degrees, allow for tosh courses to pop up and for students to be scammed out of thousands. University should reflect what is needed within the country, along with funded alternatives.
Our local university has received many millions in the past 15 or so years for research centres. Pretty much all of them have spent money on statement buildings that are architecturally well beyond the requirements for the work being undertaken. In addition to the cost of construction they also have greater overheads required to run them, compared to a regular laboratory/ engineering building.
To my mind a greater percentage of the project funds should go to doing the actual research, rather than into creating prestigious assets for the university in the longer term,
When I went to uni in 2006 when the fees were just brought in my lecturer told me to fill in some random form. I said ok can I borrow a pen… She retorted that I was in university not school and I won’t be getting a pen… I said back excuse me but I’m paying £3000 a year I at least deserve a pen given the year above only had to pay £1500 as they were the pre slc group
Fucking disgusting then and now kids are paying a fortune and still expected to pay for printing.
My former uni always asks alumni to donate like fuck off
It would be good to see a budgeting breakdown of that, so we can see what % actually goes towards the direct education per student and how much goes on general uni requirements
They’re losing high fee paying international students and want British students to make up the difference.
Eh? They’ve been squeezing UK students for years now, and absolutely rinsing foreign kids for crazy sums too. These unis need an audit.
Why? What costs so much? If a course is 20 hours, 30 weeks, that’s 600 hours of tuition/year. Divide that by 60 students and that’s 10 hours/student/year, or 1.5 working days/student/year. Quadruple that for prep time and exams, and we are at 6 working days/student/year. £400/day for a lecturer gets us to £2,400 per year per student. How come the “real” figure is 5x that?
If you’d seen the price for Masters courses this has been clear as day for a while. Some are £18-22k for a year. And usually many aren’t even full time.
The universities should decrease the amount of courses that lead to fuck all careers and save themselves some money. Loads of degrees and institutions simply aren’t worth the ink in the certificate, certainly not for the amount of debt that cause. For many it’s a life time tax for very little.
Long term the country should shift many school leavers into effective work based programs that enable them to progress without being saddled by debt. The idea the majority of professions should value a degree over 3 years of experience and skill acquisition was one of the wildest and most deluded concepts in the last thirty years.
They need to make some huge pay cuts . Where else are they going to go anyway?
You can’t really move towards american levels of tuition fees but still have uk levels of salaries.
Makes sense. They haven’t gone up since 2010 and we’ve had a shiton of inflation since then.
More debt, never retire until youre 90, everything costs more, and you’ll have to work at least 20-30 hours a week in addition to uni to pay for accommodation if you’re unlucky enough to be from a middle class background and not have your life funded by bank of mum and dad.
And if you don’t go to uni, your only options are extremely limited apprenticeship options, retail/food services progression, or the armed forces. With options further limited by geography.
The kids sure do have it great!
Can someone explain how Scottish unis are able to offer education for free and it’s not a problem while I keep seeing English unis complaining that 9k a year isn’t enough?
Universities have massively over extended themselves.
we need less degrees in society. everyone and their dog has a degree now.. people half as smart as me with a degree🤣