I’ve been saying for months and months that I thought Labour would have a very short honeymoon period in government. Have to say, even I did think it would be longer than it has been though.
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Won’t somebody think of the poor millionaire pensioners’s blanket gov provided income.
This is a bizarre hill for Labour MPs to die on, considering the state pension is increasing by £400. I know pensioners are *the* voting block so far as politicians are concerned, but I really hoped we’d seen the back of this kind of fawning with the Conservatives gone.
Look lets just keep assuming every pensioner is poor and can’t afford heating – we’ll just also assume every young person is struggling with rent and mortgage costs and give everyone housing benefit as well.
Surely if the winter fuel payments were such a big deal all labour has to do is wait because there’s at least 4 winters before the next election and all the people who get it would have frozen to death and aren’t a concern anymore /s
From a strictly strategic sense allowing this vote is a disaster as now all outcomes lead to looking weak except the rather small likelihood that they all vote for it (which would beg the question of what the point was).
Another point to make is that if there’s a lot of rebels then they’re going to be more likely to rebel in the future.
Edit: With some additional thinking there is a possibility that in fact this was intended to be a sacrificial policy to manage expectations for the rest of their policy platform.
So, SIR Kier… Knight of the realm… Who Is also a Ritch dude who took a knee before a king who claims “god gives me authority to rule over ALL people”… Well…. It turns out He isn’t a leftist, and wants to fuck over the poor?
I’m shocked.
He’s had some few months. Under severe pressure already.
I am a labour supporter but do feel this has been badly handled. An introduction of means tested benefits before taking this help away would have been a more acceptable option. I hope it doesn’t cause the unrest in government that we could do without.
They also stated that one-third of pensioners entitled to pension credits did not currently claim . That and means testing, might alleviate the majority of the issue 🤔
Cannot wait to see the back of the vile creature, hope it does not take 5 years.
Fucking hell, I can’t wait to be a pensioner because MP’s will actually *want* to fight for my best interests.
A quarter of UK pensioners live in a household with a total wealth of over £1million
What really pisses me off is when they do eventually scrap the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance and all the other pensioner benefits, it’ll no doubt be right in time to fuck over the same generation they’re currently fucking over to subsidize boomers. I’m sure they’ll bring it all back after we die as the final piss on our collective gravestone.
People on this sub have this image of all pensioners being rich asset millionaires when that’s absolutely not true. There’s 1-2 million pensioners who badly need this support and taking it away from them with no notice period is fucking bonkers.
It’s very shortsighted too, not sure the NHS needs that extra burden right now once all these vulnerable people start getting ill.
I don’t disagree with means testing it, as it’s frankly ridiculous that so many get it when it’s unneeded. But using pension credit as the main deciding factor is crazy – you can be living on 11.4k a year and not receive pension credit. There’s also a tonne of folk who are eligible but don’t claim either because they don’t know how or because (like all “means tested” benefits) the government have *intentionally* made the application process overly awkward to dissuade people.
Can we stop with these bullshit headlines. The media constantly , is he going to resign? He’s under real pressure. NO HE IS NOT
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I’ve been saying for months and months that I thought Labour would have a very short honeymoon period in government. Have to say, even I did think it would be longer than it has been though.
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Won’t somebody think of the poor millionaire pensioners’s blanket gov provided income.
This is a bizarre hill for Labour MPs to die on, considering the state pension is increasing by £400. I know pensioners are *the* voting block so far as politicians are concerned, but I really hoped we’d seen the back of this kind of fawning with the Conservatives gone.
Look lets just keep assuming every pensioner is poor and can’t afford heating – we’ll just also assume every young person is struggling with rent and mortgage costs and give everyone housing benefit as well.
Surely if the winter fuel payments were such a big deal all labour has to do is wait because there’s at least 4 winters before the next election and all the people who get it would have frozen to death and aren’t a concern anymore /s
From a strictly strategic sense allowing this vote is a disaster as now all outcomes lead to looking weak except the rather small likelihood that they all vote for it (which would beg the question of what the point was).
Another point to make is that if there’s a lot of rebels then they’re going to be more likely to rebel in the future.
Edit: With some additional thinking there is a possibility that in fact this was intended to be a sacrificial policy to manage expectations for the rest of their policy platform.
So, SIR Kier… Knight of the realm… Who Is also a Ritch dude who took a knee before a king who claims “god gives me authority to rule over ALL people”… Well…. It turns out He isn’t a leftist, and wants to fuck over the poor?
I’m shocked.
He’s had some few months. Under severe pressure already.
I am a labour supporter but do feel this has been badly handled. An introduction of means tested benefits before taking this help away would have been a more acceptable option. I hope it doesn’t cause the unrest in government that we could do without.
They also stated that one-third of pensioners entitled to pension credits did not currently claim . That and means testing, might alleviate the majority of the issue 🤔
Cannot wait to see the back of the vile creature, hope it does not take 5 years.
Fucking hell, I can’t wait to be a pensioner because MP’s will actually *want* to fight for my best interests.
A quarter of UK pensioners live in a household with a total wealth of over £1million
[https://fullfact.org/economy/millionaire-pensioners/](https://fullfact.org/economy/millionaire-pensioners/)
[https://www.if.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/pensioner_millionaires_FINAL.pdf](https://www.if.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/pensioner_millionaires_FINAL.pdf)
What really pisses me off is when they do eventually scrap the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance and all the other pensioner benefits, it’ll no doubt be right in time to fuck over the same generation they’re currently fucking over to subsidize boomers. I’m sure they’ll bring it all back after we die as the final piss on our collective gravestone.
People on this sub have this image of all pensioners being rich asset millionaires when that’s absolutely not true. There’s 1-2 million pensioners who badly need this support and taking it away from them with no notice period is fucking bonkers.
It’s very shortsighted too, not sure the NHS needs that extra burden right now once all these vulnerable people start getting ill.
I don’t disagree with means testing it, as it’s frankly ridiculous that so many get it when it’s unneeded. But using pension credit as the main deciding factor is crazy – you can be living on 11.4k a year and not receive pension credit. There’s also a tonne of folk who are eligible but don’t claim either because they don’t know how or because (like all “means tested” benefits) the government have *intentionally* made the application process overly awkward to dissuade people.
Can we stop with these bullshit headlines. The media constantly , is he going to resign? He’s under real pressure. NO HE IS NOT