I’m sure those parents will take this constructive criticism well
What is that supposed to achieve? They’re not going to change.
As a former little shit, teachers need to be granted more powers with discipline. Me and my friends did what we wanted, when we wanted because we knew full well the teachers couldn’t do a thing.
We deserved a fucking slap.
Teachers aren’t supported for that. This whole issue is because the teachers have no respect or authority anymore. Restore that and the better behaviour returns.
What is considered bad parenting?
The teachers can’t be held liable for shitty parents, nor be the authority on what is good and bad.
It would be nice to be able to focus more resources on kids getting on with it though.
I was the front desk receptionist at a MAT in South London over a decade ago— on my lunch break, I had the SENCO rush a girl into our break room and yelled for me to barricade the door. I jumped up and helped her, as another student came in trying to bash the door in looking for the other student. Security came and removed the boy and the SENCO thanked me for my help and took the girl away.
The boy’s father came into reception and asked for his son’s head of year, as I called up and was told he was in a meeting and would be about half an hour. The guy snapped started screaming at me, demanding I go get him now and I better tell the HOY to be ready to deal with him and the situation. Kicked the windows and I called security to get him out.
This was not an isolated incident; had multiple parents try to fight/scream at me for not having a teacher available as soon as they walked in (never had an appointment) or for not immediately calling the principal as they demanded.
As a teacher now, they learn the behaviour from someone/somewhere and I don’t want my teeth knocked out.
Good. About time poor parenting was called out, rather than those failed children being labelled as having ‘additional needs’ and resources being wasted on perfectly correctable behaviour. Society needs to begin holding parents accountable for their failings instead of burying heads in sand for fear of offending.
At best the teacher will be verbally adulterated and at worst the teacher will be stabbed
Welcome to U.K. 2024
I agree teachers shouldn’t feel scared to have uncomfortable conversations with parents but I’m not sure teachers are always parenting experts. It’s worded in a very strange way.
The easiest way to do it would be mandatory parenting classes.
However, teaching equivalent of “calling out” would be the teacher saying “little Johnny could benefit from discipline, routine and boundaries. Here’s a sheet on how to do it.”
Which isn’t really confrontational at all.
>”Leaders must not be intimidated by unsupportive and sometimes aggressive parents who have often failed in their duty to teach their children the importance of respect and simple good manners. Never be afraid to tell a parent that they’re a bad parent and a bad example to their children.”
This is *wildly* out of touch. There’s so much wrong with this that I don’t even know where to start.
They need actual support if they call it out. Otherwise, they’ll be thrown under the bus.
“Time to call out poor parenting” says the “Selfish Generation”. Why am I not surprised?
Most millennial parents are in dual income households just to make ends meet. Kids are increasingly spending most of their waking time in a combination of before and after school clubs, holiday clubs or whatever makeshift care arrangements mum and dad can come up with to allow them to keep working and pay their boomer landlord’s rent.
That same club care is often being delivered by underresourced, underpaid, overworked, demoralised teachers. Kids get crap food and a bare minimum of attention. Throw in lockdowns to prevent the spread of a disease which largely affected older people but which had a negative impact on the crucial formative years of a lot of the same children this article is complaining about and you have the recipe for disaster.
I’m no child psychologist so take my uninformed take with a spoonful of salt, but I’ve always been of the impression that kids react to the example they’re set in their home environment. Obvious examples are things like violence, but you have to wonder how much things like stress and mental health of parents impacts on kids behaviour too.
Can’t help but feel that if we want to resolve some of these “poor parenting” issues (can’t get past the firewall so haven’t read the article but sounds a lot like a double entendre there) then we could do a lot worse than giving parents a bit more support. A lot of people I know who had kids a bit earlier than me said things like Sure Start centres were a massive help.
We had nothing like that with my two. Just fortunate we made the decision to settle close to home with a huge extended family to help out. These days we are fairly well off and the kids live a moderately privileged life (certainly don’t come home to mum and dad screaming at each other, worrying about food etc) but there were definitely times we struggled early on and if we hadn’t had the support network we did (if we’d moved to London for example) I can see how things could be really different.
Bad parenting? I compare some English parents to the parents from traditional cultures and see what it’s all about. No respect for teaching or teachers, no respect for scholasticism or learning, no respect for authority, rules, laws. It’s a “rot” lifestyle of dependency, screen time, fags and pints, and a tribal loyalty if you dare accuse one of my own. Those are all cultural.
If you transported a working class Englishman from 1850 into 2024 England, they would be astounded by the prosperity and shocked by the lack of decency, grace and calmness.
What’s changed? No religion or community. Empty churches and empty clubs. Lots of screen time.
Meanwhile the mosques are full and those kids are all becoming Drs. Says a lot.
Finally someone grew some balls and told the truth.
School heads need to stop blaming teachers and throw the responsibility back on the parents.
If your child misbehaves and stops the learning then you need to curtail your life and look after them at home or or sort them out.
Well that’s gonna go wonderfully when teachers can’t tell the difference between poor parenting, SEN and their own failures.
Once again teachers have to become carers, because modern parents think supplying Apple devices to kids constitutes parenting.
If you need to parents working around the clock to scrape together the money to even have a roof over their heads, what time does that leave for parenting?
In my sons nursery, most of the children were there 5 days a week from 8am until 6pm. I’m not saying this is the whole issue, because there are just some shitty parents, but it’s sad that people can’t afford to be there for their very young children anymore.
Ok great, but how about instead we fund social services and early years properly to be able to offer the parenting support that people need?
I have friends who work in teaching and they claim the parents are the real issue. You identify poor behaviour, you speak to the kid and explain what’s expected/how they are falling short and then you take it to the parents who just go in on you and defend little jimmy. to his dying breath. I think that we should just hand out suspensions much faster, put the problem onto the parents.
Yeah great idea if you want teachers been attacked. What a stupid idea.
As a former teacher (~10 years in Primary), bad parenting is almost impossible to solve. If you don’t have the parents support on your side, then the bad behaviour will always continue because some of these parents will weaponise their children.
Bad parenting is not the responsibility of a teacher, that’s the responsibility of the underfunded and under performing social services. It would also put teachers in an unsafe position if these awful parents take offence.
I have three stepchildren and care for them, as their mother and stepfather were charged with physical and sexual abuse. All of them have autism and ADHD. The youngest also has demand avoidance, likely due to the difficult trauma he has been through. I am deeply frustrated when teachers suggest that their behavior is due to our poor parenting.
I often walk away from discussions with the youngest’s teachers when they want to talk about his behavior. I’ve explained multiple times that sharing details about his bad days at school only escalates his behavior at home. He may swear, scream, and attack his two older siblings all because school staff insist on informing us about his difficult day. We have reward charts, rules, boundaries, and routines posted in every room of the house. We like to think that we provide good morals and a sense of justice that the children can look up to.
Unfortunately, sometimes the horrific abuse they previously suffered still impacts them. If teachers at his previous school had not ignored the red flags and our concerns regarding their mother and stepfather, they might have been saved earlier, and the damage might not be as severe.
With all due respect, I care little about teachers judging my parenting at this point and they can F off if they think we suck given the circumstances we just trying are best.
I remember at school (as one of the good boys) that there was one class where no one messed around, Mr Smiths.
Mr Smith won medals at different sports medals and allegedly (people believed it) turned down a contract to play for Man United
Kids respected him immensely so he was treated like royalty
Other student attacked and bullying beating at me being foreign. Other student’s parent knows and ignored at me trying to reporting. Other students’s parents was failed and bad parenting.
It’s not really up to teachers to raise children.
If the children misbehaves kick them out. If the parents are shit report them to social services.
Problem is bad parents can be violent and no teacher wants to deal with that. I’d be fine with schools having security in place to protect staff from students and parents, but nowhere can afford that.
Ultimately if you’re going to cave in to violence (which reasonably is most people) that is what will win.
Problem is there’s so many shit bags having kids, they should have to pass what it takes to adopt children if you can’t do that you shouldn’t be popping them out
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I’m sure those parents will take this constructive criticism well
What is that supposed to achieve? They’re not going to change.
As a former little shit, teachers need to be granted more powers with discipline. Me and my friends did what we wanted, when we wanted because we knew full well the teachers couldn’t do a thing.
We deserved a fucking slap.
Teachers aren’t supported for that. This whole issue is because the teachers have no respect or authority anymore. Restore that and the better behaviour returns.
What is considered bad parenting?
The teachers can’t be held liable for shitty parents, nor be the authority on what is good and bad.
It would be nice to be able to focus more resources on kids getting on with it though.
I was the front desk receptionist at a MAT in South London over a decade ago— on my lunch break, I had the SENCO rush a girl into our break room and yelled for me to barricade the door. I jumped up and helped her, as another student came in trying to bash the door in looking for the other student. Security came and removed the boy and the SENCO thanked me for my help and took the girl away.
The boy’s father came into reception and asked for his son’s head of year, as I called up and was told he was in a meeting and would be about half an hour. The guy snapped started screaming at me, demanding I go get him now and I better tell the HOY to be ready to deal with him and the situation. Kicked the windows and I called security to get him out.
This was not an isolated incident; had multiple parents try to fight/scream at me for not having a teacher available as soon as they walked in (never had an appointment) or for not immediately calling the principal as they demanded.
As a teacher now, they learn the behaviour from someone/somewhere and I don’t want my teeth knocked out.
Good. About time poor parenting was called out, rather than those failed children being labelled as having ‘additional needs’ and resources being wasted on perfectly correctable behaviour. Society needs to begin holding parents accountable for their failings instead of burying heads in sand for fear of offending.
At best the teacher will be verbally adulterated and at worst the teacher will be stabbed
Welcome to U.K. 2024
I agree teachers shouldn’t feel scared to have uncomfortable conversations with parents but I’m not sure teachers are always parenting experts. It’s worded in a very strange way.
The easiest way to do it would be mandatory parenting classes.
However, teaching equivalent of “calling out” would be the teacher saying “little Johnny could benefit from discipline, routine and boundaries. Here’s a sheet on how to do it.”
Which isn’t really confrontational at all.
>”Leaders must not be intimidated by unsupportive and sometimes aggressive parents who have often failed in their duty to teach their children the importance of respect and simple good manners. Never be afraid to tell a parent that they’re a bad parent and a bad example to their children.”
This is *wildly* out of touch. There’s so much wrong with this that I don’t even know where to start.
They need actual support if they call it out. Otherwise, they’ll be thrown under the bus.
“Time to call out poor parenting” says the “Selfish Generation”. Why am I not surprised?
Most millennial parents are in dual income households just to make ends meet. Kids are increasingly spending most of their waking time in a combination of before and after school clubs, holiday clubs or whatever makeshift care arrangements mum and dad can come up with to allow them to keep working and pay their boomer landlord’s rent.
That same club care is often being delivered by underresourced, underpaid, overworked, demoralised teachers. Kids get crap food and a bare minimum of attention. Throw in lockdowns to prevent the spread of a disease which largely affected older people but which had a negative impact on the crucial formative years of a lot of the same children this article is complaining about and you have the recipe for disaster.
I’m no child psychologist so take my uninformed take with a spoonful of salt, but I’ve always been of the impression that kids react to the example they’re set in their home environment. Obvious examples are things like violence, but you have to wonder how much things like stress and mental health of parents impacts on kids behaviour too.
Can’t help but feel that if we want to resolve some of these “poor parenting” issues (can’t get past the firewall so haven’t read the article but sounds a lot like a double entendre there) then we could do a lot worse than giving parents a bit more support. A lot of people I know who had kids a bit earlier than me said things like Sure Start centres were a massive help.
We had nothing like that with my two. Just fortunate we made the decision to settle close to home with a huge extended family to help out. These days we are fairly well off and the kids live a moderately privileged life (certainly don’t come home to mum and dad screaming at each other, worrying about food etc) but there were definitely times we struggled early on and if we hadn’t had the support network we did (if we’d moved to London for example) I can see how things could be really different.
Bad parenting? I compare some English parents to the parents from traditional cultures and see what it’s all about. No respect for teaching or teachers, no respect for scholasticism or learning, no respect for authority, rules, laws. It’s a “rot” lifestyle of dependency, screen time, fags and pints, and a tribal loyalty if you dare accuse one of my own. Those are all cultural.
If you transported a working class Englishman from 1850 into 2024 England, they would be astounded by the prosperity and shocked by the lack of decency, grace and calmness.
What’s changed? No religion or community. Empty churches and empty clubs. Lots of screen time.
Meanwhile the mosques are full and those kids are all becoming Drs. Says a lot.
Finally someone grew some balls and told the truth.
School heads need to stop blaming teachers and throw the responsibility back on the parents.
If your child misbehaves and stops the learning then you need to curtail your life and look after them at home or or sort them out.
Well that’s gonna go wonderfully when teachers can’t tell the difference between poor parenting, SEN and their own failures.
Once again teachers have to become carers, because modern parents think supplying Apple devices to kids constitutes parenting.
If you need to parents working around the clock to scrape together the money to even have a roof over their heads, what time does that leave for parenting?
In my sons nursery, most of the children were there 5 days a week from 8am until 6pm. I’m not saying this is the whole issue, because there are just some shitty parents, but it’s sad that people can’t afford to be there for their very young children anymore.
Ok great, but how about instead we fund social services and early years properly to be able to offer the parenting support that people need?
I have friends who work in teaching and they claim the parents are the real issue. You identify poor behaviour, you speak to the kid and explain what’s expected/how they are falling short and then you take it to the parents who just go in on you and defend little jimmy. to his dying breath. I think that we should just hand out suspensions much faster, put the problem onto the parents.
Yeah great idea if you want teachers been attacked. What a stupid idea.
As a former teacher (~10 years in Primary), bad parenting is almost impossible to solve. If you don’t have the parents support on your side, then the bad behaviour will always continue because some of these parents will weaponise their children.
Bad parenting is not the responsibility of a teacher, that’s the responsibility of the underfunded and under performing social services. It would also put teachers in an unsafe position if these awful parents take offence.
I have three stepchildren and care for them, as their mother and stepfather were charged with physical and sexual abuse. All of them have autism and ADHD. The youngest also has demand avoidance, likely due to the difficult trauma he has been through. I am deeply frustrated when teachers suggest that their behavior is due to our poor parenting.
I often walk away from discussions with the youngest’s teachers when they want to talk about his behavior. I’ve explained multiple times that sharing details about his bad days at school only escalates his behavior at home. He may swear, scream, and attack his two older siblings all because school staff insist on informing us about his difficult day. We have reward charts, rules, boundaries, and routines posted in every room of the house. We like to think that we provide good morals and a sense of justice that the children can look up to.
Unfortunately, sometimes the horrific abuse they previously suffered still impacts them. If teachers at his previous school had not ignored the red flags and our concerns regarding their mother and stepfather, they might have been saved earlier, and the damage might not be as severe.
With all due respect, I care little about teachers judging my parenting at this point and they can F off if they think we suck given the circumstances we just trying are best.
I remember at school (as one of the good boys) that there was one class where no one messed around, Mr Smiths.
Mr Smith won medals at different sports medals and allegedly (people believed it) turned down a contract to play for Man United
Kids respected him immensely so he was treated like royalty
Other student attacked and bullying beating at me being foreign. Other student’s parent knows and ignored at me trying to reporting. Other students’s parents was failed and bad parenting.
It’s not really up to teachers to raise children.
If the children misbehaves kick them out. If the parents are shit report them to social services.
Problem is bad parents can be violent and no teacher wants to deal with that. I’d be fine with schools having security in place to protect staff from students and parents, but nowhere can afford that.
Ultimately if you’re going to cave in to violence (which reasonably is most people) that is what will win.
Problem is there’s so many shit bags having kids, they should have to pass what it takes to adopt children if you can’t do that you shouldn’t be popping them out