HomeWorldClimateIt’s weird, I feel like most environmental messaging leaves out that going vegan is the best thing you can do to save the environment (and the animals)
It’s weird, I feel like most environmental messaging leaves out that going vegan is the best thing you can do to save the environment (and the animals)
September 16, 2024
It’s weird, I feel like most environmental messaging leaves out that going vegan is the best thing you can do to save the environment (and the animals)
Because it’s something you actually have to do day in and day out and most people aren’t willing to commit to it. It’s actually pretty easy and better for your health (if you are wfpb) too.
Vegan for over a decade and I keep way more quiet about it than I used to because the majority of people are weird af/rude about it.
Honestly, you don’t even have to go vegan – just cut out red meat and that’s already a big reduction.
Does it really save the animals, if the animals are never born to begin with?
Isn’t not having kids the best thing you can do for the environment
Until there are no veggies, heat, climate change, and war will remove those.
Look up the Donner party. Other tales of true, real, survival .
If there were no war, veggies are the only answer for overpopulation.
Until it isn’t.
Say, you become an herbivore? While there are carnivores around? You become prey.
Cannibalism is no joke. People eat each other to save their lives and the lives of their children.
You ain’t seen nothing yet man. This is like climate change crossed with walking dead.
More dangerous than you might think. Eat or get eaten.
Moooooo
A big reason for that is the lobbying efforts by the meat & dairy industry: [Coalition Calls on IPCC to Reject Meat Industry Meddling in UN Climate Process](https://www.commondreams.org/news/ipcc-meat-industry)
Having fewer kids is far more impactful than going vegan.
Its a lifetime of consumption and waste generation saved.
FALSE! Foregoing children is way more effective as a life choice for the climate than going vegan.
Me going vegan, or even never eating again, will do almost zero for the environment.
I honestly don’t know what’s a harder sell: asking the public to give enough of a [poop] to go vegan in the middle of a socioeconomic dumpster fire, or asking Big Oil to decarbonize in the middle of record breaking carbon profits.
Going vegan is the answer (or at least vegetarian). There are lots of people in denial in this thread.
It is weird and it doesn’t even have to be all or nothing. There are 8 BILLION of us on this planet and rather than decreasing our meat eating we (the entire planet) are increasing it.
Also on the topic of population growth – Yes the overpopulation movement was highjacked by racists but that does not mean it is not valid. You take the racism out of it by making it a global movement and by opening borders. I can guarantee you that this will take the racist out of the equation if countries with declining populations open their borders and allow immigration. You must tie to this though that countries that do have people migrating out, also work to lower their population growth. The world cannot sustain the growth it has in human population. We are destroying the planet not only becuase of industrialization but because our population is simply not sustainable.
Asking people to go vegan is a non starter. Even people who are interested and try it will fall off the wagon after a few days. You get better results the same way you gradually wade into a cool lake. If you’re interested in going vegan, try going vegetarian one day per week. If that works for a month, then either pick a second vegetarian day of the week, or make that first day. vegan. Try it for a month; continue ratcheting up your eating habits gradually.
The “best thing you can do for the climate” is to worry less about your personal emissions and worry more about changing laws that prevent *collective* solutions.
It’s definitely one of the big impact decisions a single consumer could make. The “best” thing we can do to save the environment is to band together and cooperate to force our government to end fossil fuels use. VOTE
Genuine question, but say we all go Vegan (or at least cut out red meat) what happens to the approximately 3 Billion head of cattle and sheep?
The problem with the reducitarian shtick is it gives WAY too much credence to the worst actors in the anti-environmental movement. When talking about GHG emissions, even in environmental discussions, poultry and fish animal product manufacturing get a mysterious free pass despite being horrific industries that are devastating for the environment beyond even emissions. The poultry industry has horrific animal welfare violations with chickens throats being cut with a knife and their head ripped off en masse, they also employ child slave labor and imported slave labor from South East Asia. Fish product manufacturing has Fishes ripped out of their homes and slowly suffocate on land, sometimes up to 20 minutes or electrocuted by a live wire. Imagine if you where ripped by a sharp hook through your lip into the ocean to drown for 20 minutes. Poultry is devastating for the climate due to N20, a substance in chicken poop that is 300 times more GHG intensive than CO2, when you combine this with chickens being confined and slaughtered at a truly, horrifically, massive scale it’s not a viable option. Fishes are also frequently overlooked, this graph quickly shows the situation around fishes and other aquatic life subjected to animal product manufacturing [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-seafood](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-seafood) . The right amount of animal product manufacturing is 0 we have everything we need for a plant-based foodsystem today.
Micro consumerism won’t save the planet,that’s in the hands of oil companies and governments doing the right thing. My “carbon footprint” mekes bugger all difference.
Sure, going vegan makes a difference if enough people do it but it puts the focus and responsibility on individuals and the idea of your “carbon footprint.” it shifts responsibility from industries -oil and gas, agricultural, military, govt. If these industries don’t make large systemic changes there will be no significant change. As an end consumer, you buying or not buying something unfortunately doesn’t really affect production until you reach some kind of tipping point of a plunge in demand – prices will get lower and lower first and more people who couldn’t afford it before will start buying it. meat will get thrown in the garbage before they stop trying to sell it. Not to say we shouldn’t try to shift to plant based diets , just that it’s probably not a very quick or effective strategy.
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Because it’s something you actually have to do day in and day out and most people aren’t willing to commit to it. It’s actually pretty easy and better for your health (if you are wfpb) too.
Vegan for over a decade and I keep way more quiet about it than I used to because the majority of people are weird af/rude about it.
Honestly, you don’t even have to go vegan – just cut out red meat and that’s already a big reduction.
Does it really save the animals, if the animals are never born to begin with?
Isn’t not having kids the best thing you can do for the environment
Until there are no veggies, heat, climate change, and war will remove those.
Look up the Donner party. Other tales of true, real, survival .
If there were no war, veggies are the only answer for overpopulation.
Until it isn’t.
Say, you become an herbivore? While there are carnivores around? You become prey.
Cannibalism is no joke. People eat each other to save their lives and the lives of their children.
You ain’t seen nothing yet man. This is like climate change crossed with walking dead.
More dangerous than you might think. Eat or get eaten.
Moooooo
A big reason for that is the lobbying efforts by the meat & dairy industry: [Coalition Calls on IPCC to Reject Meat Industry Meddling in UN Climate Process](https://www.commondreams.org/news/ipcc-meat-industry)
Having fewer kids is far more impactful than going vegan.
Its a lifetime of consumption and waste generation saved.
FALSE! Foregoing children is way more effective as a life choice for the climate than going vegan.
Me going vegan, or even never eating again, will do almost zero for the environment.
I honestly don’t know what’s a harder sell: asking the public to give enough of a [poop] to go vegan in the middle of a socioeconomic dumpster fire, or asking Big Oil to decarbonize in the middle of record breaking carbon profits.
Going vegan is the answer (or at least vegetarian). There are lots of people in denial in this thread.
It is weird and it doesn’t even have to be all or nothing. There are 8 BILLION of us on this planet and rather than decreasing our meat eating we (the entire planet) are increasing it.
Also on the topic of population growth – Yes the overpopulation movement was highjacked by racists but that does not mean it is not valid. You take the racism out of it by making it a global movement and by opening borders. I can guarantee you that this will take the racist out of the equation if countries with declining populations open their borders and allow immigration. You must tie to this though that countries that do have people migrating out, also work to lower their population growth. The world cannot sustain the growth it has in human population. We are destroying the planet not only becuase of industrialization but because our population is simply not sustainable.
Asking people to go vegan is a non starter. Even people who are interested and try it will fall off the wagon after a few days. You get better results the same way you gradually wade into a cool lake. If you’re interested in going vegan, try going vegetarian one day per week. If that works for a month, then either pick a second vegetarian day of the week, or make that first day. vegan. Try it for a month; continue ratcheting up your eating habits gradually.
The “best thing you can do for the climate” is to worry less about your personal emissions and worry more about changing laws that prevent *collective* solutions.
It’s definitely one of the big impact decisions a single consumer could make. The “best” thing we can do to save the environment is to band together and cooperate to force our government to end fossil fuels use. VOTE
Genuine question, but say we all go Vegan (or at least cut out red meat) what happens to the approximately 3 Billion head of cattle and sheep?
The problem with the reducitarian shtick is it gives WAY too much credence to the worst actors in the anti-environmental movement. When talking about GHG emissions, even in environmental discussions, poultry and fish animal product manufacturing get a mysterious free pass despite being horrific industries that are devastating for the environment beyond even emissions. The poultry industry has horrific animal welfare violations with chickens throats being cut with a knife and their head ripped off en masse, they also employ child slave labor and imported slave labor from South East Asia. Fish product manufacturing has Fishes ripped out of their homes and slowly suffocate on land, sometimes up to 20 minutes or electrocuted by a live wire. Imagine if you where ripped by a sharp hook through your lip into the ocean to drown for 20 minutes. Poultry is devastating for the climate due to N20, a substance in chicken poop that is 300 times more GHG intensive than CO2, when you combine this with chickens being confined and slaughtered at a truly, horrifically, massive scale it’s not a viable option. Fishes are also frequently overlooked, this graph quickly shows the situation around fishes and other aquatic life subjected to animal product manufacturing [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-seafood](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-seafood) . The right amount of animal product manufacturing is 0 we have everything we need for a plant-based foodsystem today.
Micro consumerism won’t save the planet,that’s in the hands of oil companies and governments doing the right thing.
My “carbon footprint” mekes bugger all difference.
Sure, going vegan makes a difference if enough people do it but it puts the focus and responsibility on individuals and the idea of your “carbon footprint.”
it shifts responsibility from industries -oil and gas, agricultural, military, govt. If these industries don’t make large systemic changes there will be no significant change.
As an end consumer, you buying or not buying something unfortunately doesn’t really affect production until you reach some kind of tipping point of a plunge in demand – prices will get lower and lower first and more people who couldn’t afford it before will start buying it. meat will get thrown in the garbage before they stop trying to sell it.
Not to say we shouldn’t try to shift to plant based diets , just that it’s probably not a very quick or effective strategy.