Fascism – unstable mix of nationalism (phase of social development) and populism/ochlocracy.
Both were discredited by Nazism (mixture of fascism and Stalinism) and Stalinism (feudal “nationalism”). Which also was forms of state sectarianism.
I need more specifics. In this hypothetical facism, am I in the preferred ethnic group or am I in one of the scapegoat ethnic groups?
Depends on the regime: 1960s Spain under Franco is not 1930s Germany under Hitler, same for communist regimes.
… except reform uk voters apparently
And people from Northern Ireland weren’t asked.
By which guy do you want to be shot? The one in the red shirt or the one in the black shirt?
Enough of reddit for today
this is such a stupid question
Would’ve been strange otherwise considering the British experience of WW2.
HAD to chose in capital letters… Looks like somewhere around 50% didn’t anyway.
Is suicide an option?
I think the problem is people think of communism as in Yugoslav communism, but with Fascism its instantly Hitler and not for example Yugoslavian fascism😅
This poll is useless because there are very different interpretations of what communism is. There’s the definition that came out of the Cold War propaganda which has nothing to do with actual communism and is essentially a straw man that represents any system of government that the capitalist interests in the west wanted to swing popular opinion against. Then there’s the intellectually honest definition of communism of which no state has come close to implementing. It’s impossible to know what interpretation each person that was polled was using.
Stupid poll.
It heavily depends on your identity, time, country and leader.
Living as a white person in south Africa >>> Living as a Ukranian under Stalin in 1932.
Living as a Han chinese under Xi Jinping >>> Living as a Jew/Roma/Serb under the Ustaše.
All of em are genocidal maniacs. Question is how genocidal.
It’s pretty much the same thing but fascists dress better
Can you actually have communism in large populations without authoritarianism?
ITT: People who don’t understand the word ‘had’.
Which form of communism? Which form of fascism?
I love how all political discussions these days seem to frame everything within this duality of communism and fascism when we’re *literally nowhere near communism*.
Plain and simple, it’s a false dichotomy.
We don’t have to choose between either. But because everything is framed in such binary terms, we’re a lot closer to *genuine* fascism than we are to either real communism or the one from the imaginations of Farage et al.
There are no communist MPs. There are no major communist parties. There are no communist news corporations that operate at any scale. We will *never* be a communist country.
Talk about a false dichotomy!
Really it’s about which system is more likely to murder you if you try and keep your head down.
You don’t choose fascism, fascism chooses you.
Who even comes up with these polls anyways? This is a stupid question
“Which kneecap would you prefer to have smashed, your left or your right?”
Communism took one century to collapse. Highest estimate: 100 million deaths. That’s if we include non-manufactured famines (some were: Holodomor, Pol Pot, etc), and those also happened regularly in those countries before communism.
Fascism took between 12 and 20 years to collapse, and did so way more spectacularly. Some versions like Spain lasted a little longer, but they were vastly weakened strains (Franco still managed to kill several millions, 500.000 by “trials”. If we include civil war numbers for communism I can do the same for franquism thatns only fair). Estimate (for the one which lasted 12 years alone) : 60 millions deaths. In 12 years. Just a single one of them. Had they won, they planned for half a billion (including all the Jews and 150 millions slavs, for the sole crime of being jew or slav). By the way we’re speaking about one of the most educated, “civilised” people on Earth, here. Took them a full 12 years to turn into starving genocidal demons wanting to purge entire continents from their “subhumans”.
Yeah, I definitely wonder why would people, if forced to choose, choose one above the other. Total mystery.
I love how they just pretend Northern Ireland doesn’t exist (as per usual).
I work at a polling company, I see general confusion in the comments, how the question is phrased, is how it would be read to the respondents. Don’t know would be a voluntary answer taken after probing.
So the conversation to get a don’t know vote would be
Interviewer: If you had to choose between communism and fascism which would you choose? Respondent: I don’t know, they’re both really bad. Interviewer: if you had to choose do you lean towards one or the other? Respondent: no, I just don’t know I can’t pick these both awful. Interviewer: okay, well we can just move onto the next one then.
Well, if I had to choose between the two, I’d pick the one that historically has a reputation of fucking itself over faster, collapsing like a house of cards in just a few years. Communism has a tendency to stick around for many decades.
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Everyone would choose communism I guess. I mean who would want to clean pig shit in fascism and not have an immigrant doing it in communism? :p
“Would you rather eat a plate of rusty nails or cut your own leg off with a chainsaw”.
What kind of poll is that?
To someone who lives in a former communist country, it’s mind boggling how people from western countries wish to live under communism….
I get it, things aren’t great in your country, but communism would make it worse not better
Communism in theory, but in practice my preference would depend on the particular regime. Its ultimately just different flavours of authoritarianism.
I’d choose fascism. Living in Franco’s Spain was better for Spaniards than living under Stalin’s rule for Latvians
“Would you rather death by firing squad or death by slow starvation?”
>Communism or Fascism
Potato potato.
Communism – extremely outdated (ignore intellectual work/products) theoretical ideology.
Fascism – unstable mix of nationalism (phase of social development) and populism/ochlocracy.
Both were discredited by Nazism (mixture of fascism and Stalinism) and Stalinism (feudal “nationalism”). Which also was forms of state sectarianism.
I need more specifics. In this hypothetical facism, am I in the preferred ethnic group or am I in one of the scapegoat ethnic groups?
Depends on the regime: 1960s Spain under Franco is not 1930s Germany under Hitler, same for communist regimes.
… except reform uk voters apparently
And people from Northern Ireland weren’t asked.
By which guy do you want to be shot? The one in the red shirt or the one in the black shirt?
Enough of reddit for today
this is such a stupid question
Would’ve been strange otherwise considering the British experience of WW2.
HAD to chose in capital letters… Looks like somewhere around 50% didn’t anyway.
Is suicide an option?
I think the problem is people think of communism as in Yugoslav communism, but with Fascism its instantly Hitler and not for example Yugoslavian fascism😅
This poll is useless because there are very different interpretations of what communism is. There’s the definition that came out of the Cold War propaganda which has nothing to do with actual communism and is essentially a straw man that represents any system of government that the capitalist interests in the west wanted to swing popular opinion against. Then there’s the intellectually honest definition of communism of which no state has come close to implementing. It’s impossible to know what interpretation each person that was polled was using.
Stupid poll.
It heavily depends on your identity, time, country and leader.
Living as a white person in south Africa >>> Living as a Ukranian under Stalin in 1932.
Living as a Han chinese under Xi Jinping >>> Living as a Jew/Roma/Serb under the Ustaše.
All of em are genocidal maniacs. Question is how genocidal.
It’s pretty much the same thing but fascists dress better
Can you actually have communism in large populations without authoritarianism?
ITT: People who don’t understand the word ‘had’.
Which form of communism? Which form of fascism?
I love how all political discussions these days seem to frame everything within this duality of communism and fascism when we’re *literally nowhere near communism*.
Plain and simple, it’s a false dichotomy.
We don’t have to choose between either. But because everything is framed in such binary terms, we’re a lot closer to *genuine* fascism than we are to either real communism or the one from the imaginations of Farage et al.
There are no communist MPs. There are no major communist parties. There are no communist news corporations that operate at any scale. We will *never* be a communist country.
Talk about a false dichotomy!
Really it’s about which system is more likely to murder you if you try and keep your head down.
You don’t choose fascism, fascism chooses you.
Who even comes up with these polls anyways? This is a stupid question
“Which kneecap would you prefer to have smashed, your left or your right?”
Communism took one century to collapse. Highest estimate: 100 million deaths. That’s if we include non-manufactured famines (some were: Holodomor, Pol Pot, etc), and those also happened regularly in those countries before communism.
Fascism took between 12 and 20 years to collapse, and did so way more spectacularly. Some versions like Spain lasted a little longer, but they were vastly weakened strains (Franco still managed to kill several millions, 500.000 by “trials”. If we include civil war numbers for communism I can do the same for franquism thatns only fair). Estimate (for the one which lasted 12 years alone) : 60 millions deaths. In 12 years. Just a single one of them. Had they won, they planned for half a billion (including all the Jews and 150 millions slavs, for the sole crime of being jew or slav). By the way we’re speaking about one of the most educated, “civilised” people on Earth, here. Took them a full 12 years to turn into starving genocidal demons wanting to purge entire continents from their “subhumans”.
Yeah, I definitely wonder why would people, if forced to choose, choose one above the other. Total mystery.
I love how they just pretend Northern Ireland doesn’t exist (as per usual).
I work at a polling company, I see general confusion in the comments, how the question is phrased, is how it would be read to the respondents. Don’t know would be a voluntary answer taken after probing.
So the conversation to get a don’t know vote would be
Interviewer: If you had to choose between communism and fascism which would you choose?
Respondent: I don’t know, they’re both really bad.
Interviewer: if you had to choose do you lean towards one or the other?
Respondent: no, I just don’t know I can’t pick these both awful.
Interviewer: okay, well we can just move onto the next one then.
Well, if I had to choose between the two, I’d pick the one that historically has a reputation of fucking itself over faster, collapsing like a house of cards in just a few years. Communism has a tendency to stick around for many decades.