Why UK can’t just return migrants to France, as Reform says
September 20, 2024
Why UK can’t just return migrants to France, as Reform says
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyxeedx40d8o
by Alert-One-Two
23 comments
Ehh, Greece has been doing this to Turkey for a while. They drag the boats back to Turkish waters and inform the Turkish coast guard to pick them up. It doesn’t require an agreement, it requires a willingness to piss off your neighbour.
Farage knows that people who are thick enough to support Reform are going to believe what they want to believe. It has worked for him repeatedly.
He can say there’s a simple solution and it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not. The thick choose to believe it. My parents moved to an area that was full of them when I was a child. I could never tell if people actually did believe the nonsense they’d spout or if it was that they were so shut out of decent educational and work opportunities that they felt the people in charge could and should be able to do anything.
At any rate, the French specifically told the UK not to go into Iraq with the USA and destabilize the Middle East. Of course their warnings were right and all they got for it was abuse at the time and a migrant crisis that’s costing them a fortune. It should be 100% on the UK to deal with the crisis.
Can we not just work on the assumption that all of these people are French. If a Frenchman entered the country without a passport, he’d be sent back to France
We used to be able to do that, until we left the EU, and whose bright idea was that?
Of course we can’t.
It needs repeating again and again.
Firslty, those seeking asylum have a legal right to come to the UK for those purposes. So we either leave the agreements we signed up to (further isolating ourselves and risk economic impacts), or we put in place a system that allows us to process applications.
Secondly, As the article points out, we can’t just impinge on another nations sovereignty. I find it laughable that Farage, a man who placed so much stock in national sovereignty, feels we can take it away from other countries.
People need to get their head around the idea that we simply cannot just send people back, turn boats around, kick em out or send them to Rwanda.
I think we should start with reforming the refugee convention rather than getting into a fight with France. It is no longer fit for purpose.
All anyone needs to know is that whatever Reform say about immigration, it is always absolute cobblers.
Way to majorly piss off our neighbour and reduce our change of ever getting to rejoin the EU
“Simple” and “common sense” solutions like this always seem to come from people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
I wonder why that is /s
Sorry, who cares what the 4 mps of reform say. Lets here what the lib dems say in the media thanks.
Well we can ‘just return them to France’. Where they came from…
The fuck are the French gonna do? If they try to say “well we don’t want them either” then tell France to get *its* borders in check.
…cause France doesn’t want them either….unlike the UK that keeps electing labour or tory…the French are flirting with very dangerous political forces so these migrants leaving France is a bonus to the French.
I would just like to add. That the UK had 750,000 legal migrants last year. There we’re about 30,000 aslylum seekers/refugees.
The problem with immigration isn’t asylum seekers refugees.
Its the legal migration. If you stopped asylum seekers and refugees tomorrow. You would still have thousands of migrants coming into the coubtry….
This entire article is based upon the illegality of intercepting vessels in the UK’s territorial waters and then taking them through Frances to deposit them there. Currently the French are escorting vessels to our territorial waters and our coastguard takes them from there, Tice’s argument is that we should aid these vessels while they’re still in the French territorial waters and return them to France as a result.
Why should France have to take more refugees than we do?
>In fact, Article 19 of UNCLOS says that if a “foreign ship” enters another country’s territorial waters it will “be considered to be prejudicial to the peace” if “it engages in the loading or unloading of any… person contrary to the immigration laws” of that country.
The small boats are escorted by French Navy ships into UK waters before informing the coastguard for pickup. A small boat was actually sent back to France with its passengers in July in an event so noteworthy it made the news. Anyone who thinks ‘international law’ matters to anyone but midwits on the internet is similarly a mug.
Thing 1 and Thing 2 citing a law without any kind of research or understanding perfectly sums up what Reform is, a business cosplaying as a political party.
The amount of venom some people have towards immigrants would make the previous German hatred of Jews look like a slight irritation, they almost look on them like they are sub-human.
Devils advocate: France is acting in bad faith. If we sent any asylum seeker who crossed the channel illegally back to France – it would end the gangs and crossings; as there would be no motive to make the dangerous crossing.
France doesn’t want the migrants anymore than we do – so turns blind eye and refuses to accept them back.
I think this issue is being purposely dragged on.
Why not let asylum seekers claim asylum at consulates and embassies, like Spain and France do?
There was an agreement called the Dublin Regulations. However in 2016 there was a vote and the voters decided that they didn’t want that regulation
Even if they were authentic refugees when they came to Europe, once they decide to go from France to the UK, they become economic migrants.
Reform don’t base what they say in reality. Don’t forget, these people endorse Trump and claim that Brexit was good for the country. They are no more than swindlers with an outsized media presence.
23 comments
Ehh, Greece has been doing this to Turkey for a while. They drag the boats back to Turkish waters and inform the Turkish coast guard to pick them up. It doesn’t require an agreement, it requires a willingness to piss off your neighbour.
Farage knows that people who are thick enough to support Reform are going to believe what they want to believe. It has worked for him repeatedly.
He can say there’s a simple solution and it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not. The thick choose to believe it. My parents moved to an area that was full of them when I was a child. I could never tell if people actually did believe the nonsense they’d spout or if it was that they were so shut out of decent educational and work opportunities that they felt the people in charge could and should be able to do anything.
At any rate, the French specifically told the UK not to go into Iraq with the USA and destabilize the Middle East. Of course their warnings were right and all they got for it was abuse at the time and a migrant crisis that’s costing them a fortune. It should be 100% on the UK to deal with the crisis.
Can we not just work on the assumption that all of these people are French. If a Frenchman entered the country without a passport, he’d be sent back to France
We used to be able to do that, until we left the EU, and whose bright idea was that?
Of course we can’t.
It needs repeating again and again.
Firslty, those seeking asylum have a legal right to come to the UK for those purposes. So we either leave the agreements we signed up to (further isolating ourselves and risk economic impacts), or we put in place a system that allows us to process applications.
Secondly, As the article points out, we can’t just impinge on another nations sovereignty. I find it laughable that Farage, a man who placed so much stock in national sovereignty, feels we can take it away from other countries.
People need to get their head around the idea that we simply cannot just send people back, turn boats around, kick em out or send them to Rwanda.
I think we should start with reforming the refugee convention rather than getting into a fight with France. It is no longer fit for purpose.
All anyone needs to know is that whatever Reform say about immigration, it is always absolute cobblers.
Way to majorly piss off our neighbour and reduce our change of ever getting to rejoin the EU
“Simple” and “common sense” solutions like this always seem to come from people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
I wonder why that is /s
Sorry, who cares what the 4 mps of reform say. Lets here what the lib dems say in the media thanks.
Well we can ‘just return them to France’. Where they came from…
The fuck are the French gonna do? If they try to say “well we don’t want them either” then tell France to get *its* borders in check.
…cause France doesn’t want them either….unlike the UK that keeps electing labour or tory…the French are flirting with very dangerous political forces so these migrants leaving France is a bonus to the French.
I would just like to add. That the UK had 750,000 legal migrants last year. There we’re about 30,000 aslylum seekers/refugees.
The problem with immigration isn’t asylum seekers refugees.
Its the legal migration. If you stopped asylum seekers and refugees tomorrow. You would still have thousands of migrants coming into the coubtry….
This entire article is based upon the illegality of intercepting vessels in the UK’s territorial waters and then taking them through Frances to deposit them there. Currently the French are escorting vessels to our territorial waters and our coastguard takes them from there, Tice’s argument is that we should aid these vessels while they’re still in the French territorial waters and return them to France as a result.
Why should France have to take more refugees than we do?
>In fact, Article 19 of UNCLOS says that if a “foreign ship” enters another country’s territorial waters it will “be considered to be prejudicial to the peace” if “it engages in the loading or unloading of any… person contrary to the immigration laws” of that country.
The small boats are escorted by French Navy ships into UK waters before informing the coastguard for pickup. A small boat was actually sent back to France with its passengers in July in an event so noteworthy it made the news. Anyone who thinks ‘international law’ matters to anyone but midwits on the internet is similarly a mug.
Thing 1 and Thing 2 citing a law without any kind of research or understanding perfectly sums up what Reform is, a business cosplaying as a political party.
The amount of venom some people have towards immigrants would make the previous German hatred of Jews look like a slight irritation, they almost look on them like they are sub-human.
Devils advocate: France is acting in bad faith. If we sent any asylum seeker who crossed the channel illegally back to France – it would end the gangs and crossings; as there would be no motive to make the dangerous crossing.
France doesn’t want the migrants anymore than we do – so turns blind eye and refuses to accept them back.
I think this issue is being purposely dragged on.
Why not let asylum seekers claim asylum at consulates and embassies, like Spain and France do?
There was an agreement called the Dublin Regulations. However in 2016 there was a vote and the voters decided that they didn’t want that regulation
Even if they were authentic refugees when they came to Europe, once they decide to go from France to the UK, they become economic migrants.
Reform don’t base what they say in reality. Don’t forget, these people endorse Trump and claim that Brexit was good for the country. They are no more than swindlers with an outsized media presence.