Its not. But this is what happens when you have a leave campaign run on lies, and people who happily believe what they’re told without questioning it
> Once seen as a rite of passage
Get the impression I grew up in a completely different world to the average Guardian reader
In Europe? Some guardian love letter this.
Canada / US / AUS – sure that would make sense, in fact it’s better than ever for young people for Aus and Canada than 10 years ago, mobility visas and second year stays are much easier.
They say this, but out of my friend group, I’m the only one that had the drive to actually go ahead and work overseas for a year 10 years back. And I’m in my mid 30s now, so my friend group absolutely had the opportunity to do this and didn’t.
Also, they can still work abroad. When I did it, it wasnt to an EU country. You can sit and complain about it to spite leave voters who don’t even know you exist, or get off your ass and make it work or find another destination.
*edit* Typical downvotes. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck. My point is, are you going to do something to make it work regardless? Or are you just using this as an excuse to punish yourself so you have something extra to complain about? If you’re under 35, you really have no excuse to not move abroad if you’re dead set on it.
Get a working holiday visa, study visa, or a job overseas and *leave*. Why are so many Brits happy to wallow in misery and pessimism?
Canada for work/ski holidays. There are so many schemes for young people to get out and about and involved with seasonal work. They just got to want to it but sadly it isn’t everyone’s interest.
An article about over 35’s having fewer opportunities might have some truth.
Holy sheet… My old snowboard holidays 20years ago were expensive.. hense why I did them living at home and working full time. Sod trying to afford them now!! The ski passes and rentals add hundreds.
FOM may have absolutely destroyed the trades and basically all semiskilled entry level work for native Brits but Seb cant do the gap year at a ski lodge so Brexit was a lamentable mistake that must be reversed.
Small price to pay for taking back control of our borders, making us richer, and building a fuckton of new fully staffed hospitals.
Of course it isn’t fair. It wasn’t intended to be fair.
It was intended for boomers not to hear the plumber speaking a foreign language
And for the billionaires running the media not to have to identify their foreign holdings as per new EU laws that were on their way in
By the time we actually left enough had died that we wouldn’t have voted to leave
And at this point it’s over 70% would have voted to stay in
They don’t care, it only affects the young, they don’t care about you. They never cared about anyone
How about the right to not have to compete for your job with shitloads of other countries? No?
I don’t doubt there is a legitimate loss of opportunity for young UK people however not many UK based people speak a foreign language to a level where they would compete in a European job market …
You could point to the seasonal jobs in beach and ski resorts however UK travel companies also destroyed seasonal careers …and Im saying this as someone who was fortunate enough to bum around ski and beach resorts for 4 years when I was younger.
Was it a great experience – absolutely. Am I gutted my kids can no longer do it – absolutely.
BUT… Ski companies were some of the worst at using exploited UK labour with benefit in kind contracts which meant staff were paid WELL BELOW European minimum wage – locals could never compete.
These were tens of thousands of seasonal summer and alpine jobs given to UK teens to work for peanuts, at the expense of local staff who would have been on full paying local contracts.
The reason so many chalet companies went bust post brexit is because they could no longer pay their staff £50 per week.
American here with a question for people from the UK: Why doesn’t the UK government just negotiate the right to work in these countries?
One of the strangest things for me watching the Brexit stuff from across the sea was all the people in the UK arguing that the UK can’t negotiate with foreign countries in they leave the EU. Like didn’t you guys rule the biggest empire in the history of the world and now you are saying you can’t negotiate trade with other countries? It was confusing to me.
Bad for many young people, but not for me.
The US is the only way to get a high salary and a successful career as far as I’m concerned. Hoping to get a job there!
I was too young for a vote in 2016 and don’t know what this work bit was like but it would be interesting to see something like it again. (and wanting this does not entitle me as privileged, for the comments talking about this at the top)
It genuinely pisses me off that there are lots of people who voted for Brexit who were really old and are now dead, so they don’t have to endure the consequences of what they did to our country.
And on the flip side, me, a 21 year old, was 13 when the Brexit referendum happened. I had absolutely no say in it. And yet it’s people my age who weren’t old enough to vote on Brexit who it’s effecting the most.
Absolutely boils my blood. The elder generations who voted for Brexit absolutely screwed us young folk over and then will tell us it’s our fault that we haven’t bought a house yet because we just aren’t working hard enough, get fucked.
I worked in Dusseldorf for 6 months as part of my grad scheme, it was great. To be honest, I didn’t really want to come back to the UK and part of me wishes I had stayed. The (German) company of course no longer offers international placements after Brexit.
Tough early lesson that democracy will always leaves some people disgruntled. I do empathise with them, but if they really really want to work in the rest of the EU, they still can, it will just require more effort
Boohoo.
If you are worth importing there are many paths and opportunities available still.
Losing out on working holidays, as other people have said, is a shame (but it’s not much more than that).
The reality was always that the language barrier made it very hard for most British people to make much use of freedom of movement. They can still take summer holidays in the EU. What’s changed is the ability to go and take long term employment, and that is something the vast majority of people would never have done anyway.
I find no joy in this situation but emigrating to the EU was always more popular as an idea than a reality. It’s hard to avoid the fact that EU migration was always going to be very one-sided and that’s mostly because of language.
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Its not. But this is what happens when you have a leave campaign run on lies, and people who happily believe what they’re told without questioning it
> Once seen as a rite of passage
Get the impression I grew up in a completely different world to the average Guardian reader
In Europe? Some guardian love letter this.
Canada / US / AUS – sure that would make sense, in fact it’s better than ever for young people for Aus and Canada than 10 years ago, mobility visas and second year stays are much easier.
They say this, but out of my friend group, I’m the only one that had the drive to actually go ahead and work overseas for a year 10 years back. And I’m in my mid 30s now, so my friend group absolutely had the opportunity to do this and didn’t.
Also, they can still work abroad. When I did it, it wasnt to an EU country. You can sit and complain about it to spite leave voters who don’t even know you exist, or get off your ass and make it work or find another destination.
*edit* Typical downvotes. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck. My point is, are you going to do something to make it work regardless? Or are you just using this as an excuse to punish yourself so you have something extra to complain about? If you’re under 35, you really have no excuse to not move abroad if you’re dead set on it.
Get a working holiday visa, study visa, or a job overseas and *leave*. Why are so many Brits happy to wallow in misery and pessimism?
Canada for work/ski holidays. There are so many schemes for young people to get out and about and involved with seasonal work. They just got to want to it but sadly it isn’t everyone’s interest.
An article about over 35’s having fewer opportunities might have some truth.
Holy sheet… My old snowboard holidays 20years ago were expensive.. hense why I did them living at home and working full time. Sod trying to afford them now!! The ski passes and rentals add hundreds.
FOM may have absolutely destroyed the trades and basically all semiskilled entry level work for native Brits but Seb cant do the gap year at a ski lodge so Brexit was a lamentable mistake that must be reversed.
Small price to pay for taking back control of our borders, making us richer, and building a fuckton of new fully staffed hospitals.
Of course it isn’t fair. It wasn’t intended to be fair.
It was intended for boomers not to hear the plumber speaking a foreign language
And for the billionaires running the media not to have to identify their foreign holdings as per new EU laws that were on their way in
By the time we actually left enough had died that we wouldn’t have voted to leave
And at this point it’s over 70% would have voted to stay in
They don’t care, it only affects the young, they don’t care about you. They never cared about anyone
How about the right to not have to compete for your job with shitloads of other countries? No?
I don’t doubt there is a legitimate loss of opportunity for young UK people however not many UK based people speak a foreign language to a level where they would compete in a European job market …
You could point to the seasonal jobs in beach and ski resorts however UK travel companies also destroyed seasonal careers …and Im saying this as someone who was fortunate enough to bum around ski and beach resorts for 4 years when I was younger.
Was it a great experience – absolutely. Am I gutted my kids can no longer do it – absolutely.
BUT… Ski companies were some of the worst at using exploited UK labour with benefit in kind contracts which meant staff were paid WELL BELOW European minimum wage – locals could never compete.
These were tens of thousands of seasonal summer and alpine jobs given to UK teens to work for peanuts, at the expense of local staff who would have been on full paying local contracts.
The reason so many chalet companies went bust post brexit is because they could no longer pay their staff £50 per week.
American here with a question for people from the UK: Why doesn’t the UK government just negotiate the right to work in these countries?
One of the strangest things for me watching the Brexit stuff from across the sea was all the people in the UK arguing that the UK can’t negotiate with foreign countries in they leave the EU. Like didn’t you guys rule the biggest empire in the history of the world and now you are saying you can’t negotiate trade with other countries? It was confusing to me.
Bad for many young people, but not for me.
The US is the only way to get a high salary and a successful career as far as I’m concerned. Hoping to get a job there!
I was too young for a vote in 2016 and don’t know what this work bit was like but it would be interesting to see something like it again. (and wanting this does not entitle me as privileged, for the comments talking about this at the top)
It genuinely pisses me off that there are lots of people who voted for Brexit who were really old and are now dead, so they don’t have to endure the consequences of what they did to our country.
And on the flip side, me, a 21 year old, was 13 when the Brexit referendum happened. I had absolutely no say in it. And yet it’s people my age who weren’t old enough to vote on Brexit who it’s effecting the most.
Absolutely boils my blood. The elder generations who voted for Brexit absolutely screwed us young folk over and then will tell us it’s our fault that we haven’t bought a house yet because we just aren’t working hard enough, get fucked.
I worked in Dusseldorf for 6 months as part of my grad scheme, it was great. To be honest, I didn’t really want to come back to the UK and part of me wishes I had stayed. The (German) company of course no longer offers international placements after Brexit.
Tough early lesson that democracy will always leaves some people disgruntled. I do empathise with them, but if they really really want to work in the rest of the EU, they still can, it will just require more effort
Boohoo.
If you are worth importing there are many paths and opportunities available still.
Losing out on working holidays, as other people have said, is a shame (but it’s not much more than that).
The reality was always that the language barrier made it very hard for most British people to make much use of freedom of movement. They can still take summer holidays in the EU. What’s changed is the ability to go and take long term employment, and that is something the vast majority of people would never have done anyway.
I find no joy in this situation but emigrating to the EU was always more popular as an idea than a reality. It’s hard to avoid the fact that EU migration was always going to be very one-sided and that’s mostly because of language.