Zelenskyy requested Tomahawk missiles from the US as part of Victory Plan – NYT

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/10/29/7481927/

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  1. – Mister President, how sure do we want to be they will decline our Victory Plan proposal?
    – Very.

  2. This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/10/29/7481927/) reduced by 60%. (I’m a bot)
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    > American journalists have reported that, as part of the undisclosed details of his Victory Plan, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy allegedly requested Washington to supply long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    > The Tomahawk missiles have a range of over 1,500 kilometres, approximately seven times farther than the ATACMS missiles, which Ukraine received in limited numbers.

    > The list of long-range targets in Russia, previously submitted by Ukraine in an attempt to gain permission to strike Russian territory with American missiles, reportedly far exceeds the number of missiles that the US or any other ally could supply without jeopardising their own needs in the event of escalations in the Middle East or Asia.

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  3. If we abandon Ukraine they have to build a nuclear weapon – they’ll have no choice. And they have all the material and expertise they need.

    Helping Ukraine is how we AVOID escalation.

  4. They are under attack by multiple nations right now. How are we not giving them the green light?

  5. Few things people need to keep into perspective about Ukraine’s incessant bitching about “nOt bEiNg aBlE tO hIt rUsSiAn tArGeTs” is that:

    1. They have indeed been hitting Russian targets deep inside Russia using domestic platforms (drones). How else have they been hitting the refineries, ammo depots, airfields, radar stations? Has that meaningfully changed anything?

    2. They can use Storm Shadows and ATACMs in the Eastern Ukraine theater where the 95% of the fighting is taking place and they have used them plenty. Has that changed anything?

    3. Russia has been able to hit Ukraine with their long range missiles from day 1. Has that brought victory to Russia?

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    Ukraine will ALWAYS have some excuse for why they are not doing so well. Always the next wonderwaffe that will win them the war. First it was HIMARS, then ATACMS, then Storm Shadow, then F-16s, now they want Tomahawks.

  6. No matter what happens November 6th, the US is going to be a lot less hesitant with what they send Ukraine and where they draw the lines on usage between then and at least January 20th

  7. I don’t see this ever happening. Setting aside Tomahawk’s range, the missile itself requires a much different command and control system than any other missile in Ukraine’s arsenal (this is also proving to be an issue with sales to Japan). The U.S. would have to either set up an entire command network within the AFU for tomahawk operations, or assume total responsibility for tomahawk targeting and mission planning, which is something that it would never agree to

  8. Russia is never leaving Ukraine. The second they do then Ukraine will become a member of NATO. Then they can’t ever do this again. The only way is if Putin dies and someone reverses the decision to invade.

  9. Here’s a better idea. Let’s fast track their membership into NATO and tell Putin he has until the end of the year to withdraw to the pre-Crimea invasion borders, or we ‘bring freedom’ to the Russian people.

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