I'm Italian and I'm truly shocked and sad for what's happening in the close towns near Valencia. First of all I want to give a hug to all the people directly and indirectly involved in this tragedy. And I ask you to share in the comments an official way to donate.

The picture I have posted is a picture from Emilia Romagna, a region in Italy. Rivers flooded and here is the results.
The situation is far worse in Valencia, but the causes are similar. Yes, something went wrong, spanish and italian politicians are responsible, but we can't ignore climate change anymore. The number of violent atmospheric phenomenons is increasing.

We need to reduce CO2 globally.
– Energy sector is responsible for 40% of CO2 emissions globally. We have to promote a mixed combination between nuclear energy and renewable energy.
I was skeptical about nuclear energy, but it's necessary. Technology has improved since Chernobyl. We are 8 billions.
– We must reduce intensive animal farming, encouraging to cultivate meat in labs.
– We must protect and preserve our forests and environments. We must plant rees.

I encourage everyone to be aware and vote politicians who look at environmental problems.
Take care.

by Weak-Hope8164

39 comments

  1. Oh, it can be denied, I’m sure they can spin this so it’s “normal”, or just not a consequence of climate change, or even saying the gov is at fault

  2. We are fucked as long as the more poluting countries deny this and as long as the commerce rules the world.

    So we are double fucked cause this isnt gonna change as climate change is totally opposite to commerce requirements and needs

  3. Almost 50% of emissions globally are produced by just three countries. Unless they do something, nothing will change

  4. As far as I know, that the number of strong storms increases due to climate change is disputed – what is not disputed is that low energy prices lead to higher income which lead to less climate deaths

    In any case. Yes, we need to get CO2 under control

    Good luck getting international support, here in EU we’re already doing quite a lot

  5. So we civilians have to reduce CO2 emissions right? Yeah polititians say that while they fly ALWAYS in private jets, President of spain Pedro sanchez even uses the official plane “the falcon” for his personal affairs. Same with celebrities, im tired of these people telling the people what to do and not doing them themselves.

  8. Or just, at least in the recent case of Spain (Valencia), do not tear down damms following agenda 2030 which prevnt water flows become manageable.

    155 lost souls and counting. RIP

  9. This already happened in the late 50s.

    I am no expert and I wont deny shit, but I dont think this proves anything.

    Lets keep politics aside for a few days, lets focus on helping the victims.

  10. Sadly, problems only get noticed when they reach the western/developed world. But it’s never too late to start caring and taking action in climate justice.
    Hang in there Kiribati, we are still comprehending and making up our minds 🤌🏽😒

  11. Climate change cannot be denied, because it’s a natural phenomenon.

    What happend this past days in Spain isn’t completly due to that and it’s extremly hard to pinpoint, and thanks to the infrastructure that was made back in the day when the big 1957 DANA (yes, because this things happend in the past, way before the modern “climate change”).

    After the 1957 DANA happend, the river course was changed so it doesn’t go through the middle of Valencia, one of Spain biggest cities.

    Imagine if all that water that went through the side of the city, made it right in the middle of Valencia… We would be talking of thousands of deads.

    It’s a tragedy, but natural disasters are hard to predict and prevent, no matter how many time passes you can’t be 100% sure of what it’s exactly going to happen.

  14. People will absolutely still whine about climate activists as they see homes and cars, maybe even their own, swept away

  17. Six months ago a similar tragedy happened in my country, with almost twice as much casualties. It will become even worse everywhere in the world in the next years. Climate change is a reality, period.

  20. Good luck with that. Just the US military (just the military) is the 5th contributor to global warming… 🫠

  22. Not a denier of climate change, on the contrary.

    That being said, a couple of points:
    – Some of these tragedies have happened in the past. How much they’ve worsened we don’t know, but it’s nothing unprecedented and you can’t track these recent events origins or quantify its severity totally on global warming with certainty, metereology is too much complex of a system. The tendency is clear but we can’t really “visualize” climate change in one-off or particular events. It’s about the whole image, statistics being a great tool for that
    – Overall historical casualties decrease due to improved safety measures, tools and general development. We’ve got more means than ever for early warning to prevent, and act later on. That’s also a fact
    – It’s important to fight climate change for this and many other aspects, but to reduce immediate casualties it’s more useful to improve the methods I talked before and get people really informed on protocols and safety measures. Poverty is directly related to casualties, I’d say it’s the main factor (many people living on orographically depressed zones) along with public resources for modern infraestructure, good urban development, clearance of basins / ditches / drains, and emergency services. Early warning in particular is what mostly failed it seems in Valencia
    – In order to fight climate change you need a global effort. Agree on the “global pact” aspect (we have the Tokyo Accords but it’s not like they’re effective at all, read below). Europe and North America seem on a good path, although we could certainly be doing better in electrification f.e., especially the South. We need to improve techs and make our companies competitive on that. That being said, countries like OPEC including Russia, Arabia or Brazil, and others like Indonesia, Nigeria or India whose contribution is crutial due to their size and critical biodiversity and resources, even China despite their electrification effort (still producing too much energy through coal) just don’t do enough. And we’re paying for that. In a certain way it’s even understandable as some of them have more urgent problems. Though it’s not like their authoritarian leaders care enough, they’re not down the same scrutiny

    Also worth noting, our leaders in general do not know the best path for lowering CO2 emissions with the least economic effort possible. They’ve been anti-nuclear for several decades f.e. based on vibes and populism more than rationality. With them it’s difficult to make great steps quick enough

  23. This is not climate change fault, this has happened thru the years, there have been several moments like this. It has been registered over 20 times in a 1000 years, there are files since the Romans.

  25. Nobody is going to change anything until it’s too late, if it isn’t too late already.

    This is why my wife and I chose not to have kids. The next 50 years a lot of people are going to suffer, whether it be from war over resources, food production collapse, or disease outbreak. It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

  28. Yo más bien atribuía este suceso a cosas como el aviso tardío (en el caso de las muertes) el derribo de presas y la estrechez del canal de la zona más afectada de Valencia más que al cambio climático, porque técnicamente gotas frías grandes pasan todos los años en mayor o menor medida.

    De hecho, creo recordar que cuando Valencia se inundó en 1957, el desvío del río Turia, que se hizo a posterior de aquella gran inundación, salvó a la ciudad en más de una ocasión desde entonces en sus futuras DANAS.

    O sea, que esto no es nuevo técnicamente, ya ocurrió y pudo haber ocurrido otras veces de no ser por el desvío mencionado.

    Que me puedo equivocar en algunas cosas, pero en este caso no creo que esté muy desencaminado.

  30. I am definately not defending China, but I think they’re doing far better than us. Investing green energy and they also are ahead of battery tech. U.S and Japan, and new economic forces like India, Indonasia, vietnam.. they need to step up. But I don’t wanna blame those countries as we are the customer buying stuff from them. So we also need to step it up. It may be too late after seeing this many dissastars but we can still create envrionment that does not progress from this

  31. If I see another climate change denier argument on this thread I’m going to scream.

    > “There have been storms like this in the past as well”

    Nobody is saying that these never happened. Please actually *listen* to what experts say when they talk about this. It’s not “this never happened before”, it’s “before you had things like these happening every 25 years, now they’re happening every 5 years”. Why are they becoming more frequent? Climate change makes atmospheric patterns more unstable, so with that instability you get more extremes including this one.

    > “It also rained a lot in the past”

    Yes, but let’s say now it rains a lot *lot* more in certain regions and not enough in others. If you get punched twice, it still hurts a lot right? If you get punched three times, it’s still considered a lot but it’s *more* than before.

  32. We needed it 20 years ago. The horse is already dead and starts to rot, you can’t cure it.

  34. Shit has to strike you people very very close so you believe huh

    It’s been happening for decades, we always warned your asses

    Well, now we deal with the consequences of late stage capitalism

  35. We were fine in spain before the socialists decided to blow up the water dams, which would have prevented this, simply because they were built by franco

  37. Some discouraging facts.

    1. We currently cannot sustainably reduce the current amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, outside of the CO2 that was produced by the destruction of renewables carbon sinks, aka, deforestation. Once you release extra carbon in the carbon cycle, it will remain there; and the only way to truly take it away is to bury it hundreds of meters underground, like oil.
    2. Global warming comes with a severe delay, we have global warming for more than a hundred years even if we stopped all emissions.
    3. Animal farming or any sort of farming that plays within the cycle of carbon, is not a CO2 emitter by default; or it’s otherwise minimal; sure there’s methane, but that can be handled; it’s the heavy machinery running with oil that’s the trouble, you can track all sources back to fossil fuels.
    4. Planting trees will not do a dent to climate change, you can only recover the CO2 that you added by deforestation; plant a tree efforts to offset climate change are often, just scams by big oil; truth it, it’s not as easy.

    People think that “oh we need to stop global warming”, and fine, we should do that, but you are not stopping it for the next hundred years it’s going to get worse. Also none of the current mainstream proposed solutions would do a dent.

    You need to have the Tuvalu mindset, better prepare because the worst.

    Some things that you should keep in mind that will help towards the issue, these are available today for politicians to work towards.

    1. Nuclear energy.
    2. Hydroelectric.
    3. Solar and other renewables (where it makes sense not everywhere).
    4. Biofuels.
    5. Rail.

    Some fancy solutions I reckon we will have to implement.

    1. Geoengineering.
    2. Ultra-light vehicles.
    3. Nuclear powered ships.
    4. Airships.
    5. Dirt construction with vegetation on top for maximum thermal efficiency (similar to how the Norse did it but on steroids)
    6. Large buildings inside caves.

    (Basically this is your solar punk future, a realistic one)

  39. The Dana weather phenomenon, which we mentioned in our last post, is quite common in this region and most often occurs during the autumn.

    One study suggests that around 10 to 20 Dana events occur each year within the western Mediterranean and within the vicinity of Iberia. Though not all are as severe as the one Spain is currently experiencing.

    Previous significant rain events have impacted Valencia in the past. In October 1982, around 550mm of rain fell in some locations within 24 hours, ultimately leading to the failure of the Tous Dam in the Province of Valencia which killed 8 people form the subsequent flooding.

    In early November 1987, the La Safor region in the province of Valencia, saw 817mm of rainfall – a 24-hour record for Spain. And more recently, in mid-September 2019, the València, Murcia and Almería regions saw significant flooding after close to 500mm of rain fell over a couple of days.

    AEMET, the national meteorological agency of Spain, believes that the weather over the last couple of days is on par with the 1982 and 1987 events.

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