You’d want to be thick as a brick of shite to believe otherwise, so I’m not sure this message is going to penetrate that particular fog.
Most people in Ireland are Irish too, so stands to reason.
Most prisoners in Ireland are members of the travelling community.
Let’s see them protest about that.
But what will the insecure racist people blame their life failures on now???
Stop you’re giving nothing for soft brained racists to be annoyed about.
No shit
Most prisoners in Ireland are criminals
It is regrettable that there is no breakdown of naturalised Irish citizens here. Without it, the the data is a bit useless.
Surely the headline should be “Debunked : Most prisoners in Irish prisons are Foreign Nationals”
This needed debunking? Jaysus.
In other news: Most creatures living in the ocean can swim.
I think the argument is that as a percentage of the prison population. That’s probably twisted as well by lumping all foreign nationals into one group.
Did anyone actually say that most prisoners in Ireland aren’t Irish? I can’t keep up.
No shit. Now let’s see per capita for criminal offences and prisoners.
Per
Capita
Not trying to help racists, but this is a disingenuous argument.
Most people in Ireland in Ireland are Irish. Real data is per capita and if X group outperforms Y group in crime.
I’d argue this sort of article, assuming they (the right) are all total idiots, helps the right wing notion of a media-government conspiracy to water down claims rather than calms populist nutcasism.
Per capita analysis is the only stat that would make sense here
>**These sets of data show that foreign nationals make up a minority of the prison population, between 15-17% of prisoners.**
That’s still an over-representation because foreign nationals are only 12% of the general population.
>**In still-online responses, the user who made that post gives his source as the “SPACE I – 2023″ report on prison populations, published by the Council of Europe in June. It is unclear how a report published in June (and based on 2023 statistics) could contain up-to-date figures on the prison population in September 2024.**
I think it’s pedantic debunking something on the grounds that it’s a whopping four months old. It’s not the average person’s fault if a report published in June 2024 used statistics from 2023, what’s the difference.
>**This year,** ***The Journal*** **has debunked multiple false stories about foreign nationals committing crimes, which appear to be attempts at smearing migrants or ethnic groups.**
Yeah it’s almost like The Journal has some sort of pro-migrant bias and trawls Twitter looking for anti-migrant tweets to debunk instead of just reporting news in a neutral way.
Make crime illegal
While it’s good this is debunked (I’ll celebrate any time the far right are proven to be morons), are there per capita stats? Is that not actually what the question is about?
Don’t think I’ve ever seen/heard anyone claim that they weren’t Irish… Even on reddit
The racists just recycling lies from their British and American pay masters.
I’m convinced the people who would believe this are scumbags because there’s no way anyone lives in Ireland or Irish cities and thinks most antisocial behaviour comes from non nationals. It’s all little scumbags who are dragged up and never get out of it.
Thats true and I’m all for immigration. Once people are happy to work and pay their own way then they are welcome as far as I’m concerned but there are a disproportionate amount of foreign nationals in prisons relative to the amount of foreign nationals in Ireland.
Nowhere near as bad as those idiots make out but it is more than you would expect/hope.
12% of people in Ireland are foreign nationals, but 17% of prisoners in Ireland are foreign nationals. It is factually correct to say that a foreign national is more likely to go to prison in Ireland than an Irish person.
1000’s of factors influence the likelihood of going to prison so its not as cut and dry as that.
Total State ethnic population breakdown (CSO 2022)
* White = 87.4% (Irish = 76.5%, Irish Traveller = 0.65%, White Roma = 0.31%, Other White = 9.87%
*Asian = 3.7% (Chinese = 0.5%, India/Pakistan/Bangladesh = 1.86%, Arab = 0.4%, Other Asian = 0.88%)
* Black = 1.5%
* Other including Mixed = 1.28%
* Not stated = 6.16%
Another howler from the Journal’s Debunked series. They love to “debunk” things that nobody believed in the first place. They trawl the internet to find some stupid Twitter post and then make a big song and dance about “debunking” it. I feel sorry for the journalists tasked with producing this scutter.
I think the main question isn’t actual numbers but percentages. If immigrants are 5% of the population but more than that of the prison population, then maybe there is a point to be made.
Anecdotally, hilariously, I would say the two nationalities which are not Irish that I came across inside with Polish and English (two that seemingly most of these knuckle draggers see as “okay immigrants) followed by Romanian. The guy who posted this originally on twitter tried to then claim the percentage was everyone without an Irish passport or some such nonsense, as if that somehow made up the numbers.
I’m glad it was called out, it’s nonsense. Figures show non Irish are represented roughly fairly in prisons, travellers represent the most disproportional percentage of an ethnic group versus society in this country incarcerated.
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Tell your mad Facebook aunt she’s talking shite.
You’d want to be thick as a brick of shite to believe otherwise, so I’m not sure this message is going to penetrate that particular fog.
Most people in Ireland are Irish too, so stands to reason.
Most prisoners in Ireland are members of the travelling community.
Let’s see them protest about that.
But what will the insecure racist people blame their life failures on now???
Stop you’re giving nothing for soft brained racists to be annoyed about.
No shit
Most prisoners in Ireland are criminals
It is regrettable that there is no breakdown of naturalised Irish citizens here. Without it, the the data is a bit useless.
Surely the headline should be “Debunked : Most prisoners in Irish prisons are Foreign Nationals”
This needed debunking? Jaysus.
In other news: Most creatures living in the ocean can swim.
I think the argument is that as a percentage of the prison population. That’s probably twisted as well by lumping all foreign nationals into one group.
Did anyone actually say that most prisoners in Ireland aren’t Irish? I can’t keep up.
What most prisoners are, sadly, is early school leavers. 70% of prisoners left school by 14: https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/oireachtas/2022/07/05/almost-70-of-irish-prisoners-are-early-school-leavers/
No shit. Now let’s see per capita for criminal offences and prisoners.
Per
Capita
Not trying to help racists, but this is a disingenuous argument.
Most people in Ireland in Ireland are Irish. Real data is per capita and if X group outperforms Y group in crime.
I’d argue this sort of article, assuming they (the right) are all total idiots, helps the right wing notion of a media-government conspiracy to water down claims rather than calms populist nutcasism.
Per capita analysis is the only stat that would make sense here
>**These sets of data show that foreign nationals make up a minority of the prison population, between 15-17% of prisoners.**
That’s still an over-representation because foreign nationals are only 12% of the general population.
>**In still-online responses, the user who made that post gives his source as the “SPACE I – 2023″ report on prison populations, published by the Council of Europe in June. It is unclear how a report published in June (and based on 2023 statistics) could contain up-to-date figures on the prison population in September 2024.**
I think it’s pedantic debunking something on the grounds that it’s a whopping four months old. It’s not the average person’s fault if a report published in June 2024 used statistics from 2023, what’s the difference.
>**This year,** ***The Journal*** **has debunked multiple false stories about foreign nationals committing crimes, which appear to be attempts at smearing migrants or ethnic groups.**
Yeah it’s almost like The Journal has some sort of pro-migrant bias and trawls Twitter looking for anti-migrant tweets to debunk instead of just reporting news in a neutral way.
Make crime illegal
While it’s good this is debunked (I’ll celebrate any time the far right are proven to be morons), are there per capita stats? Is that not actually what the question is about?
Don’t think I’ve ever seen/heard anyone claim that they weren’t Irish… Even on reddit
The racists just recycling lies from their British and American pay masters.
I’m convinced the people who would believe this are scumbags because there’s no way anyone lives in Ireland or Irish cities and thinks most antisocial behaviour comes from non nationals. It’s all little scumbags who are dragged up and never get out of it.
Thats true and I’m all for immigration. Once people are happy to work and pay their own way then they are welcome as far as I’m concerned but there are a disproportionate amount of foreign nationals in prisons relative to the amount of foreign nationals in Ireland.
Nowhere near as bad as those idiots make out but it is more than you would expect/hope.
12% of people in Ireland are foreign nationals, but 17% of prisoners in Ireland are foreign nationals. It is factually correct to say that a foreign national is more likely to go to prison in Ireland than an Irish person.
1000’s of factors influence the likelihood of going to prison so its not as cut and dry as that.
At the moment , this will change
https://preview.redd.it/ecft6sxta5yd1.png?width=1324&format=png&auto=webp&s=da754a92159f1254aa552b1d9fe0c2212b635519
Total State ethnic population breakdown (CSO 2022)
* White = 87.4% (Irish = 76.5%, Irish Traveller = 0.65%, White Roma = 0.31%, Other White = 9.87%
*Asian = 3.7% (Chinese = 0.5%, India/Pakistan/Bangladesh = 1.86%, Arab = 0.4%, Other Asian = 0.88%)
* Black = 1.5%
* Other including Mixed = 1.28%
* Not stated = 6.16%
Another howler from the Journal’s Debunked series. They love to “debunk” things that nobody believed in the first place. They trawl the internet to find some stupid Twitter post and then make a big song and dance about “debunking” it. I feel sorry for the journalists tasked with producing this scutter.
I think the main question isn’t actual numbers but percentages. If immigrants are 5% of the population but more than that of the prison population, then maybe there is a point to be made.
Anecdotally, hilariously, I would say the two nationalities which are not Irish that I came across inside with Polish and English (two that seemingly most of these knuckle draggers see as “okay immigrants) followed by Romanian. The guy who posted this originally on twitter tried to then claim the percentage was everyone without an Irish passport or some such nonsense, as if that somehow made up the numbers.
I’m glad it was called out, it’s nonsense. Figures show non Irish are represented roughly fairly in prisons, travellers represent the most disproportional percentage of an ethnic group versus society in this country incarcerated.
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