>The alleged peace plan also suggests freezing the current front lines
So, the “deal” is Ukraine loses, gives up all the territory Russia is occupying, and Russia has at least a 20 year window to rearm and finish the job.
we see in 10 year anoter invasion
no deal.
And what exactly will make Russia follow this and not simply attack Ukraine again afterwards? Russia has broken every agreement, most notably the Minsk agreement. They can not be trusted and only understand pure force
If Europe doesn’t step up to the plate in place of the US…fuck it nuclear proliferation for all. We’ve just proven you are completely boned as a country if you don’t have nukes, I hope the like of Taiwan are watching.
“To ensure peace, you will be barred from joining a defensive alliance.”
20 years. Wow that sounds like enough time to bring up a whole new generation of soldiers to throw at Ukraine
Yea, that just kicks the can down the road and allows Russia to manufacture a million glide bombs and a billion artillery shells. This will never be over unless Russia is defeated on the battlefield and the Russian state collapses for good.
everyone saw this coming. its clear trump is pro-putin here
Veto trumps proposal
This is basically Putin’s plan all along, isn’t it? I’m pretty sure they’ve already rejected peace deals even better than this one.
You know the Ukrainian people were doing before their country was invaded?
Going to school. Planning weddings. Growing food. Focusing on infrastructure and being the crafty builders that they are. They elected a man with a good head on his shoulders who knew how to make people laugh.
But their greatest sin was they were a neighbor showing those under tyranny what freedom looks like.
The sin Moscow simply cannot forgive.
Do not let the fucking US dictate how Ukraine achieves victory. With or without us, this is your land.
So give up a winning war and give Putin everything he wants so he can regroup and hit them again… Why is Trump so soft on Russia?
That’s a shit deal
So they *do* know the reason behind Russia’s actions…
Trump immediately gives Putin what he wants. This is embarrassing. Thank you republicans for Making America a Joke Again.
Can their NATO application be fast tracked before January?
20Years for Russia to rebuild its army.
Well, looks like Ukraine has a strong incentive to arm themselves with nukes.
So Ukraine loses territory permanently…Putin is loving this
“Yo Z, give up all the things my buddy Putin stole from you and don’t defend yourself for exactly the time he needs to create a new batch of soldiers”
Premium deal, surely. Next thing is that Ukraine refuses and gets framed as the aggressor. It’s up to Europe now to deal with it.
The first thing Trump does in office is to throw the entire Ukrainian population under the bus. Again he knowing works to destroy another democracy.
It basically gives Russia time to reload its military cupboard. That’s a fuckin terrible strategy. You’re just delaying a 3rd world war.
i think i heard about something similar in the past.
Team Trump thinks they can Chamberlain their way out of this one? Didn’t work very well te last time it was tried either.
Trump really loves putin
All Russia would do is rearm with tech and weapons that the US will be more than happy to sell to them.
I watched enough Battlestar Galactica to know this won’t work.
The terms make it clear Putin is pulling the strings behind the scenes in respect of Trump and his proposals.
Ukraine will not accept these terms, nor will many of its allies.
Trump is a traitor and it is sad that so many Americans seem oblivious to this fact.
I mean, we had pretty good anecdotal evidence that Russia was calling in bomb threats to several states on Election Day. Are we going to do anything about that? That’s a pretty big deal…
I’m afraid people who support this don’t fully understand the consequences
Russia isn’t going to stop, especially after losing 500k+ people (including wounded, but that’s even worse. Dead people to require money to support) and, well, the only reason why Ukraine didn’t start making WMD is because we got support from US and Europe which allowed to somewhat stand the ground
If Trump administration straight out leaves Ukraine, I can’t think of ANY reason to not make them. Otherwise the whole state is f’ed with cleansing to follow (remember, it’s Russia we’re talking about)
Welp.
Easy for him, he’s 78. “Let’s push this off on Millennials in 20 years when we’re dead. Great deal. The best deal for peace.” Fucking pathetic.
Funny how the “save Palestine” crowd saw Ukraine being subjected to *actual genocide* and decided that funding Ukraine to protect themselves was more morally reprehensible than the genocide
Considering how both America and Russia completely wiped their asses with Ukraine’s last “security guarantee”, I don’t think this one is going to get far.
It’s all up to Europe to make the continent secure, because the US has been one disappointment after another for years now.
What a shock his peace deal is trash and benefits Russia
Justice is dead
– So Trump „offers“ peace with freezed frontline. – Ukraine always said that they accept no peace with loosing territory. – Trump: „I am sorry folks, I was making peace within 24h, but the Ukraine didn’t want it. It’s their fault“
> 1930s: apeacement of dictators doesn’t work.
> 1945-1948 years: apeacement of dictators doesn’t work.
> 2008-2021 years: apeacement of dictators doesn’t work.
> 2024 year: “Let’s appease dictators!”
It people really could spin after death, only by Roosevelt and Reagan modern humanity would have solved all energy problems.
Doing the bidding of Russia on Day 1.
Trump is going to hand Ukraine over to Russia guaranteed
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>The alleged peace plan also suggests freezing the current front lines
So, the “deal” is Ukraine loses, gives up all the territory Russia is occupying, and Russia has at least a 20 year window to rearm and finish the job.
we see in 10 year anoter invasion
no deal.
And what exactly will make Russia follow this and not simply attack Ukraine again afterwards? Russia has broken every agreement, most notably the Minsk agreement. They can not be trusted and only understand pure force
If Europe doesn’t step up to the plate in place of the US…fuck it nuclear proliferation for all. We’ve just proven you are completely boned as a country if you don’t have nukes, I hope the like of Taiwan are watching.
“To ensure peace, you will be barred from joining a defensive alliance.”
20 years. Wow that sounds like enough time to bring up a whole new generation of soldiers to throw at Ukraine
Yea, that just kicks the can down the road and allows Russia to manufacture a million glide bombs and a billion artillery shells. This will never be over unless Russia is defeated on the battlefield and the Russian state collapses for good.
everyone saw this coming. its clear trump is pro-putin here
Veto trumps proposal
This is basically Putin’s plan all along, isn’t it? I’m pretty sure they’ve already rejected peace deals even better than this one.
You know the Ukrainian people were doing before their country was invaded?
Going to school. Planning weddings. Growing food. Focusing on infrastructure and being the crafty builders that they are. They elected a man with a good head on his shoulders who knew how to make people laugh.
But their greatest sin was they were a neighbor showing those under tyranny what freedom looks like.
The sin Moscow simply cannot forgive.
Do not let the fucking US dictate how Ukraine achieves victory. With or without us, this is your land.
So give up a winning war and give Putin everything he wants so he can regroup and hit them again… Why is Trump so soft on Russia?
That’s a shit deal
So they *do* know the reason behind Russia’s actions…
Trump immediately gives Putin what he wants. This is embarrassing. Thank you republicans for Making America a Joke Again.
Can their NATO application be fast tracked before January?
20Years for Russia to rebuild its army.
Well, looks like Ukraine has a strong incentive to arm themselves with nukes.
So Ukraine loses territory permanently…Putin is loving this
“Yo Z, give up all the things my buddy Putin stole from you and don’t defend yourself for exactly the time he needs to create a new batch of soldiers”
Premium deal, surely. Next thing is that Ukraine refuses and gets framed as the aggressor. It’s up to Europe now to deal with it.
The first thing Trump does in office is to throw the entire Ukrainian population under the bus.
Again he knowing works to destroy another democracy.
It basically gives Russia time to reload its military cupboard. That’s a fuckin terrible strategy. You’re just delaying a 3rd world war.
i think i heard about something similar in the past.
[https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-britain-hoped-to-avoid-war-with-germany-in-the-1930s](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-britain-hoped-to-avoid-war-with-germany-in-the-1930s)
Team Trump thinks they can Chamberlain their way out of this one? Didn’t work very well te last time it was tried either.
Trump really loves putin
All Russia would do is rearm with tech and weapons that the US will be more than happy to sell to them.
I watched enough Battlestar Galactica to know this won’t work.
The terms make it clear Putin is pulling the strings behind the scenes in respect of Trump and his proposals.
Ukraine will not accept these terms, nor will many of its allies.
Trump is a traitor and it is sad that so many Americans seem oblivious to this fact.
I mean, we had pretty good anecdotal evidence that Russia was calling in bomb threats to several states on Election Day. Are we going to do anything about that? That’s a pretty big deal…
I’m afraid people who support this don’t fully understand the consequences
Russia isn’t going to stop, especially after losing 500k+ people (including wounded, but that’s even worse. Dead people to require money to support) and, well, the only reason why Ukraine didn’t start making WMD is because we got support from US and Europe which allowed to somewhat stand the ground
If Trump administration straight out leaves Ukraine, I can’t think of ANY reason to not make them. Otherwise the whole state is f’ed with cleansing to follow (remember, it’s Russia we’re talking about)
Welp.
Easy for him, he’s 78. “Let’s push this off on Millennials in 20 years when we’re dead. Great deal. The best deal for peace.” Fucking pathetic.
Funny how the “save Palestine” crowd saw Ukraine being subjected to *actual genocide* and decided that funding Ukraine to protect themselves was more morally reprehensible than the genocide
Considering how both America and Russia completely wiped their asses with Ukraine’s last “security guarantee”, I don’t think this one is going to get far.
It’s all up to Europe to make the continent secure, because the US has been one disappointment after another for years now.
What a shock his peace deal is trash and benefits Russia
Justice is dead
– So Trump „offers“ peace with freezed frontline.
– Ukraine always said that they accept no peace with loosing territory.
– Trump: „I am sorry folks, I was making peace within 24h, but the Ukraine didn’t want it. It’s their fault“
> 1930s: apeacement of dictators doesn’t work.
> 1945-1948 years: apeacement of dictators doesn’t work.
> 2008-2021 years: apeacement of dictators doesn’t work.
> 2024 year: “Let’s appease dictators!”
It people really could spin after death, only by Roosevelt and Reagan modern humanity would have solved all energy problems.
Doing the bidding of Russia on Day 1.
Trump is going to hand Ukraine over to Russia guaranteed
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