Ex-Post Office investigator says he knew of Horizon issues but wasn’t ‘technically minded’
You were aware in 2010 of a body of reporting in the public domain about problems with the Horizon system that’s correct yes and that didn’t cause you to reflect a little bit more the the only reflection is that during any investigation if the issue of arise and issues would have come up it
Would have been explored with the person can we look at fuj 0015 4879 please and can we at page five we’ll begin on page five this is the 9th of February 2010 page five so the same same year as those reports are forwarded to you we have an email from yourself to
Somebody called Valerie Lipscomb who who is Valerie lipsc do you remember I’m not sure whether she’s part of the um deiz and call center where you would get any uh because calls made into the business you would have the the business side of Paul and then arise that their own call
Center so you needed two types of um the calls to see whether anybody called and you say there Valerie thanks for the logs I was wondering if you could help me further I require logs of all calls in relation to Horizon problems am I right in thinking the attached log is
Due to transactional queries if we go to page three of the same email chain at the bottom of page three please we have an email there from Mark Dinsdale security program manager at the post office can we scroll up slightly to Penny Thomas who is at Fujitsu do you recall Penny Thomas Penny
Thomas was there yeah and your copied into that email that’s right and he says Penny can we set up a process for these requests because we’re getting more and more of them would you be able to provide the information Steve has requested and that’s about the rinkfield
Case um so in 2010 and 2011 you were certainly aware of a body of cases relating to the Horizon system that were building up were you not from from from that information yes and as as I said if it if it’s come up within the the
Interview I took the actions to try and find out what the issue with the Horizon was against the logs and in this case Mr Dale had set up um all contact with the Fujitsu Fujitsu would be done by the casework team yes but in 2010 you had received those articles relating to
Problems with Horizon you were aware from this communication that there was a body of cases relating to concerns about the Horizon system didn’t that cause you pause for thought the pause for thought is that when when you would speak to the person being interviewed you would take that
Into account so if if you’re informed that these an issue within Horizon you would look you would do your best to find out what the issue was but but you began today by saying that nobody from above had been telling you about bugs errors or defects I don’t count Mr
Knight as somebody from above he was just equal that he’s taking it from the papers so you have been told by your equals that there were newspaper article you have been told by your equals uh that there was a growing body of cases but that in itself was not sufficient
For you to question the reliability of the Horizon system because I’m I’m I’m not technically minded with that I would expect that to come from the people above if it was an issue I would expect Fujitsu to inform the post office and the post office to let us know what what the issues
Are
Stephen Bradshaw told the Horizon scandal inquiry that he knew of reports of problems with the system but wasn’t ‘technically minded.’ Bradshaw said: ‘If there was an issue, I would expect Fujitsu [Horizon’s maker] to inform the Post Office and the Post Office to let us know what the issues are’
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The power of major companies is sometimes astonishing… I wonder what will happen, if anything, to Fujitsu, for causing such major carnage and a gross miscarriage of justice, with thousands of lives scarred and ruined. Even if they are to payout to the victims for damages, we will see if anyone from Fujitsu ever has the guts to apologize.
The fact that we as taxpayers spend so much on these investigations on companies wrongdoings would it not be a reasonable solution to abandon free market economics and properly regulate businesses as well imposing strict punitive sanctions on chief executives
Easy to blame others. Not so easy to accept accountability. In this case, the Post Office and the makers of Horizon need to take responsibility.
He's essentially confessed to perjury by signing a statement he did write or understand.
He admitted he lied to suspects.
Theses amount to perverting the course of justice.
Finally, the tides begin to turn.
This guy is lying through his back teeth, and he is the tip of the ice berg .
he should be facing a jail term but he will go scot free like the rest
One of the uks most dangerous men
Incompetents. He SHOULD have been technically minded. He was not suitable for any technical investigation. The Post Office should of had someone who understood the system fully and the ability to spot bugs.
Nobody was proactive it seems. Conformity
Why isn't starmer being asked questions he was the head of the cps at the time of the post office scandal.
This man needs to be in jail for a long time.
Heβs a nothing, the question is; who recruited him ? Thatβs where the deep, premeditated crime is.
The guy is a dirty faced liar.
He needs to be put through a court of law and tried in a proper manner.
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What exactly was this man investigating? He seems to have investigated very little himself and simply performed the role of a bully interviewer without being in possession of the full facts.
wow , he cant even string a proper sentence together !
Anyone with a brain could have told you it was a software issue…. endof.. Tony cuenca