“Professor Appleby said: The patients who died were in different points in the care system, including post-discharge, suggesting no consistent link to any one aspect of care. They had multiple social and clinical risk factors for suicide.”
It’s almost as if the greatest danger facing trans people is the sheer amount of undeserved hate directed at them, NOT the medications or procedures that they use to feel comfortable in their own skin!
This is such a pointlessly politicized subject.
I’m not trans, I don’t have children, I don’t know what’s medically correct and I don’t care.
Leave this shit to doctors and medical associations. If some kids transition and then regret it, how bad but that’s their problem, if some suffer because they didn’t get to transition then how bad but no condition gets perfect treatment always.
People should just generally mind their own business.
It’s still a deeply weird thing to do to children.
In 20 years, nobody will admit to having believed in this stuff.
I really don’t know why we’re examining only 12 suicides to try to make any conclusions
It’s summer 2024, transgender kids were like 4 news cycles ago, who even cares about it anymore
Could it be… that the ‘you can either have a transgender child, or a dead child’ is just manipulation and coercion?
Are there any numbers for suicide for patients with gender dysphoria that did not receive ‘treatment to transition’ vs transgenders?
I can’t even be fucked with this, another purposefully bad study transphobes can cite.
Guys…
THEY DIDN’T INCLUDE TRANS PEOPLE ON NHS WAITING LISTS.
yknow… where most of them are? And where those with the worst mental health are?
Could you imagine them doing a study on NHS patient mortality and just ignoring the people on waiting lists who died cuz they couldn’t get treated? That’s what this study is doing.
They literally only studied the group of trans individuals who were getting the healthcare they needed, not the most vulnerable group.
This study means nothing. Trans suicides absolutely HAVE shot up over the puberty blocker ban, and yet every fuckin politician in Westminster and every transphobe under the sun will cite this study for years I promise you.
It’s a complete joke.
I’d like anyone who is against puberty blockers to actually explain what they do and why they are so horrible.
(Spoiler alert: they can’t without using the words “chemically” and “castrated”)
I regret reading these comments
Yall have shared this article like several times clearly theres an overarching agenda here
There’s obviously way more underlying issues then just puberty blockers, and it seems disingenuous saying otherwise
I think the people that enacted puberty blocker bans never cared for trans people’s well being. Not really a shocker here.
Their review was just that there wasn’t sufficient data to decide one way or another. There were only 12 suicides studied, and that is technically not a statistically relevant population. But it is twice as many suicides as before the ban.
It’s always rich reading these threads when some of yall act like experts on trans issues when you don’t know anything at all really. You don’t understand how crushing dysphoria feels, or being rejected by your parents and family and friends just for being who you are. It’s frustrating having to debate basic health procedures with people for years on end who demand such a stringent standard of proof for its efficacy when other, more dangerous procedures get a free pass. I don’t trust the Cass Report and basing anything off of its nonsense claims is just an excuse to be transphobic.
I don’t know how many trans teens are even aware of the idea that transitioning might not be the right answer for them. There is a dogma on social media that that’s the only way. It is entirely possible we are over-medicalizing in a lot instances and it’s like there’s no space for even considering that.
Why is it that for gender dysphoria, unlike all other types of dysphoria, there is such heavy favortism towards the development and usage of rather invasive interventions, whether to be puberty blockers in children, or surgical intervention. We wouldnt and dont put up with this for say, body dysmorphia. The focus there is on cognitive and behavioral therapy first and foremost to try and change the negative thoughts associated with their biological features. In general, the idea that trying to get people to learn to accept themselves as they were created, is catching on. Except when it comes to gender dysphoria. Which is odd to me. For example, clinicians are told more and more not to even use the “ableist” term disabled. Instead, we say they are “differently abled.” People are not “mentally retarded” (dear god) or intellectual challenged, they are neurodivergent. Etc, etc. And while I think its a practice that has its limitations, I am curious why its not at all a practice that seems to be applied to how we approach gender dysphoria.
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“Professor Appleby said: The patients who died were in different points in the care system, including post-discharge, suggesting no consistent link to any one aspect of care. They had multiple social and clinical risk factors for suicide.”
It’s almost as if the greatest danger facing trans people is the sheer amount of undeserved hate directed at them, NOT the medications or procedures that they use to feel comfortable in their own skin!
This is such a pointlessly politicized subject.
I’m not trans, I don’t have children, I don’t know what’s medically correct and I don’t care.
Leave this shit to doctors and medical associations. If some kids transition and then regret it, how bad but that’s their problem, if some suffer because they didn’t get to transition then how bad but no condition gets perfect treatment always.
People should just generally mind their own business.
It’s still a deeply weird thing to do to children.
In 20 years, nobody will admit to having believed in this stuff.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7073269/
I really don’t know why we’re examining only 12 suicides to try to make any conclusions
It’s summer 2024, transgender kids were like 4 news cycles ago, who even cares about it anymore
Could it be… that the ‘you can either have a transgender child, or a dead child’ is just manipulation and coercion?
Are there any numbers for suicide for patients with gender dysphoria that did not receive ‘treatment to transition’ vs transgenders?
I can’t even be fucked with this, another purposefully bad study transphobes can cite.
Guys…
THEY DIDN’T INCLUDE TRANS PEOPLE ON NHS WAITING LISTS.
yknow… where most of them are? And where those with the worst mental health are?
Could you imagine them doing a study on NHS patient mortality and just ignoring the people on waiting lists who died cuz they couldn’t get treated? That’s what this study is doing.
They literally only studied the group of trans individuals who were getting the healthcare they needed, not the most vulnerable group.
This study means nothing. Trans suicides absolutely HAVE shot up over the puberty blocker ban, and yet every fuckin politician in Westminster and every transphobe under the sun will cite this study for years I promise you.
It’s a complete joke.
I’d like anyone who is against puberty blockers to actually explain what they do and why they are so horrible.
(Spoiler alert: they can’t without using the words “chemically” and “castrated”)
I regret reading these comments
Yall have shared this article like several times clearly theres an overarching agenda here
There’s obviously way more underlying issues then just puberty blockers, and it seems disingenuous saying otherwise
I think the people that enacted puberty blocker bans never cared for trans people’s well being. Not really a shocker here.
Their review was just that there wasn’t sufficient data to decide one way or another. There were only 12 suicides studied, and that is technically not a statistically relevant population. But it is twice as many suicides as before the ban.
It’s always rich reading these threads when some of yall act like experts on trans issues when you don’t know anything at all really. You don’t understand how crushing dysphoria feels, or being rejected by your parents and family and friends just for being who you are. It’s frustrating having to debate basic health procedures with people for years on end who demand such a stringent standard of proof for its efficacy when other, more dangerous procedures get a free pass. I don’t trust the Cass Report and basing anything off of its nonsense claims is just an excuse to be transphobic.
I don’t know how many trans teens are even aware of the idea that transitioning might not be the right answer for them. There is a dogma on social media that that’s the only way. It is entirely possible we are over-medicalizing in a lot instances and it’s like there’s no space for even considering that.
Why is it that for gender dysphoria, unlike all other types of dysphoria, there is such heavy favortism towards the development and usage of rather invasive interventions, whether to be puberty blockers in children, or surgical intervention.
We wouldnt and dont put up with this for say, body dysmorphia. The focus there is on cognitive and behavioral therapy first and foremost to try and change the negative thoughts associated with their biological features.
In general, the idea that trying to get people to learn to accept themselves as they were created, is catching on. Except when it comes to gender dysphoria. Which is odd to me.
For example, clinicians are told more and more not to even use the “ableist” term disabled. Instead, we say they are “differently abled.” People are not “mentally retarded” (dear god) or intellectual challenged, they are neurodivergent. Etc, etc.
And while I think its a practice that has its limitations, I am curious why its not at all a practice that seems to be applied to how we approach gender dysphoria.