About time they did some maintenance and the gov brought up standards
That’s going to really remove a lot of houses / apartments from being available.
That would force rents up dramatically and make it even harder to find a place to rent.
So if I was renting a home that is now not energy efficient what should I say to my landlord to sort it out?
>by 2030
That’s . . . conveniently outside the next election cycle.
Why not make it 2028, which is within the cycle, so you can be judged on it?
4 years is still plenty of time for landlords to make the improvements.
>The Conservatives originally planned to reach the deadline by 2028
Even the fucking Tories were OK with the target being at the end of an election cycle, ffs.
Also, why the fuck are we **subsidising landlords** with the costs of this?
>A consultation is expected later this year, which is expected to include a cap on the amount landlords will have to spend on upgrades. This was set at £10,000 under previous plans and Miliband is expected to stick with a similar figure.
If you can’t afford the cost of running your business, sell up, and let either (a) someone who can afford the costs rent it out, or (b) a family buy it as, you know, a family home.
Assuming it’s a staged introduction of the ban, that would be good. Landlords would either improve the efficiency of the house or sell it.
My landlord is about to get a shock then, with his E EPC rating and unwillingness to even entertain FREE upgrades to his investment.
Or perhaps it is myself in for a shock and will be made homeless if he’s forced to upgrade the house that I live in.
This has already begun in some sectors. There’s also usually exclusions for historic properties.
Guess who’s going to pay for it all, renters through rent. Smart move again..
The first flat I rented was terrible in the winter. Living room and main bathroom had such leaky windows that drinks would freeze overnight if I left them in the room. Neighbours that owned their flats would be improving/fixing things like the windows and doors, as well as the heating and boiler, meanwhile I had leaky windows and storage heaters, and the landlord had no incentive to fix it. The flat was 20 years old and nothing had been touched, just rented out to a line of renters over the years.
Plenty of people saying “this will increase rents”, but I couldn’t use a large % of the flat anyway without dressing for an Everest expedition and the landlord didn’t give a toss as long as the building was standing. I personally don’t see this change as forcing landlords to upgrade their properties to be the most efficient properties in the country, but there should be a minimum standard that anyone that owned the property would expect themselves, that landlords are held to.
This will absolutely be passed on to renters in some form or another. That is just how the market works.
This is already a law, they’ve just changed the required efficiency rating.
I rent and I’m against this. Mine is currently a C, but if it were lower guess who’s going to foot the bill for the upgrades? Hint, it won’t be the landlord, and I doubt the energy savings from say a D to a C will cover the difference in increased rent.
Great way to reduce supply and push up rent prices.
Hopefully they’re sold on to freeholders who actually intend to live in the home, instead of parasites who hold onto them as a specualtive asset while ransoming housing back to the public.
If implemented this will remove a large amount of the rental stock from the market, especially in towns which have mostly older housing stock.
Landlords won’t spend what it takes to upgrade, not with the rental economics as they are now. They will sell and re buy stock that meets the requirements, if they want to go back into the rental sector at all.
The houses which then come on the market will go to kids of middle class parents who can help with the deposit.
The only losers will be those who rent and don’t have a deposit or perhaps have a poor credit history. They will simply pay more to rent the same or similar accommodation.
The law of unintended consequences – what usually happens when governments meddle in things they don’t understand for reasons of popularity.
Are they going to include Council and Housing Association properties in this? Or just private landlords?
I rent out a Victorian terrace rated E. The EPC thinks I should spend between 15-20K to get it to C. The annual energy bills ATM are around £1000 a year. Looks like I’ll be selling up.
Yeah, let’s make even less houses available. And for those who will make their house energy efficient, let’s raise the rent to pay for the works. Spot on!
Well if this is not going to: A: increase the shortage of rental properties. B: increase all rents due to the extra work required to bring them up to their arbitrary standard.
There will never not be pain in this sector, the house long crisis will fall hardest on those who need to rent.
We have to make long term choices that create a better future and if making basic standards and regulations forces these horrid type of landlords out of the market then we should have never let them near it in the first place.
Not a fan of Labour giving landlords so much extra time. Under the last government this law was going to kick in in 2025. Why delay it by 5 years? Landlords have been preparing houses for 2025. Should force them to do it now rather than giving them an extra 5 years.
More plastic windows then? 🙁 I’m in social housing and love my wooden sash windows
So what’s going to happen to people who are currently living in energy inefficient homes? My flat and the flat I lived in before are both rated D, and I’m willing to bet most homes in my area will have the same rating.
What happens to rental properties that happen to be listed? There’s only so many improvements you’re allowed to do to them. And when we get to 2030 if a house already has tenants in it do they just get turfed out?
So tenants will either….
A. Foot the higher energy/heating cost.
or
B. Have rent increase further to account for the cost of updating the property.
So either way….tenants get fucked over.
Awesome!
This feels really rather out of touch indeed – we’re facing a big housing shortage in general and he thinks this is going to help? Like, this will have the double effect of reducing available rentals AND making them more expensive. At least rent controls would make things cheaper, even if it constricted supply some. Keir’s somehow managed to come up with a policy that marries the worst of both worlds.
yes bc EPC is so scientific and not a finger in the air assessment at all
Approximately 2.9 million privately rented homes currently have energy efficiency ratings below grade C. Around 50% of the rental stock.
At an average cost of £10k per house, that’s a lot of money that needs to be spent! If you think this won’t affect rents, you’re crazy.
This is so silly… my parents live in an absolutely beautiful period semi in a v desirable area of south manchester. The energy efficiency is shite, but they just use the fire/blankets in winter. Similar houses on their road rent for 2k a month and are very quickly snapped up. Loads of people (myself included!) Would rather have a cool in summer, spacious and beautiful house (with a trade off as a high heating bill), rather than a miserable new build box which is unbearable in again kind of heat and poorly built. Honestly energy efficiency is so far down my list of wants for a house it would barely feature.
Yes at the lower end of the market/flats you don’t want cold, damp accommodation for people who can’t afford to heat them adequately. But period properties should be exempt.
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Do not see an issue with that.
About time they did some maintenance and the gov brought up standards
That’s going to really remove a lot of houses / apartments from being available.
That would force rents up dramatically and make it even harder to find a place to rent.
So if I was renting a home that is now not energy efficient what should I say to my landlord to sort it out?
>by 2030
That’s . . . conveniently outside the next election cycle.
Why not make it 2028, which is within the cycle, so you can be judged on it?
4 years is still plenty of time for landlords to make the improvements.
>The Conservatives originally planned to reach the deadline by 2028
Even the fucking Tories were OK with the target being at the end of an election cycle, ffs.
Also, why the fuck are we **subsidising landlords** with the costs of this?
>A consultation is expected later this year, which is expected to include a cap on the amount landlords will have to spend on upgrades. This was set at £10,000 under previous plans and Miliband is expected to stick with a similar figure.
If you can’t afford the cost of running your business, sell up, and let either (a) someone who can afford the costs rent it out, or (b) a family buy it as, you know, a family home.
Assuming it’s a staged introduction of the ban, that would be good. Landlords would either improve the efficiency of the house or sell it.
My landlord is about to get a shock then, with his E EPC rating and unwillingness to even entertain FREE upgrades to his investment.
Or perhaps it is myself in for a shock and will be made homeless if he’s forced to upgrade the house that I live in.
This has already begun in some sectors. There’s also usually exclusions for historic properties.
Guess who’s going to pay for it all, renters through rent. Smart move again..
The first flat I rented was terrible in the winter. Living room and main bathroom had such leaky windows that drinks would freeze overnight if I left them in the room. Neighbours that owned their flats would be improving/fixing things like the windows and doors, as well as the heating and boiler, meanwhile I had leaky windows and storage heaters, and the landlord had no incentive to fix it. The flat was 20 years old and nothing had been touched, just rented out to a line of renters over the years.
Plenty of people saying “this will increase rents”, but I couldn’t use a large % of the flat anyway without dressing for an Everest expedition and the landlord didn’t give a toss as long as the building was standing. I personally don’t see this change as forcing landlords to upgrade their properties to be the most efficient properties in the country, but there should be a minimum standard that anyone that owned the property would expect themselves, that landlords are held to.
This will absolutely be passed on to renters in some form or another. That is just how the market works.
This is already a law, they’ve just changed the required efficiency rating.
I rent and I’m against this. Mine is currently a C, but if it were lower guess who’s going to foot the bill for the upgrades? Hint, it won’t be the landlord, and I doubt the energy savings from say a D to a C will cover the difference in increased rent.
Great way to reduce supply and push up rent prices.
Hopefully they’re sold on to freeholders who actually intend to live in the home, instead of parasites who hold onto them as a specualtive asset while ransoming housing back to the public.
If implemented this will remove a large amount of the rental stock from the market, especially in towns which have mostly older housing stock.
Landlords won’t spend what it takes to upgrade, not with the rental economics as they are now. They will sell and re buy stock that meets the requirements, if they want to go back into the rental sector at all.
The houses which then come on the market will go to kids of middle class parents who can help with the deposit.
The only losers will be those who rent and don’t have a deposit or perhaps have a poor credit history. They will simply pay more to rent the same or similar accommodation.
The law of unintended consequences – what usually happens when governments meddle in things they don’t understand for reasons of popularity.
Are they going to include Council and Housing Association properties in this? Or just private landlords?
I rent out a Victorian terrace rated E. The EPC thinks I should spend between 15-20K to get it to C. The annual energy bills ATM are around £1000 a year. Looks like I’ll be selling up.
Yeah, let’s make even less houses available. And for those who will make their house energy efficient, let’s raise the rent to pay for the works.
Spot on!
Well if this is not going to:
A: increase the shortage of rental properties.
B: increase all rents due to the extra work required to bring them up to their arbitrary standard.
There will never not be pain in this sector, the house long crisis will fall hardest on those who need to rent.
We have to make long term choices that create a better future and if making basic standards and regulations forces these horrid type of landlords out of the market then we should have never let them near it in the first place.
Not a fan of Labour giving landlords so much extra time. Under the last government this law was going to kick in in 2025. Why delay it by 5 years? Landlords have been preparing houses for 2025. Should force them to do it now rather than giving them an extra 5 years.
More plastic windows then? 🙁 I’m in social housing and love my wooden sash windows
So what’s going to happen to people who are currently living in energy inefficient homes? My flat and the flat I lived in before are both rated D, and I’m willing to bet most homes in my area will have the same rating.
What happens to rental properties that happen to be listed? There’s only so many improvements you’re allowed to do to them.
And when we get to 2030 if a house already has tenants in it do they just get turfed out?
So tenants will either….
A. Foot the higher energy/heating cost.
or
B. Have rent increase further to account for the cost of updating the property.
So either way….tenants get fucked over.
Awesome!
This feels really rather out of touch indeed – we’re facing a big housing shortage in general and he thinks this is going to help? Like, this will have the double effect of reducing available rentals AND making them more expensive. At least rent controls would make things cheaper, even if it constricted supply some. Keir’s somehow managed to come up with a policy that marries the worst of both worlds.
yes bc EPC is so scientific and not a finger in the air assessment at all
Approximately 2.9 million privately rented homes currently have energy efficiency ratings below grade C. Around 50% of the rental stock.
At an average cost of £10k per house, that’s a lot of money that needs to be spent! If you think this won’t affect rents, you’re crazy.
This is so silly… my parents live in an absolutely beautiful period semi in a v desirable area of south manchester. The energy efficiency is shite, but they just use the fire/blankets in winter. Similar houses on their road rent for 2k a month and are very quickly snapped up. Loads of people (myself included!) Would rather have a cool in summer, spacious and beautiful house (with a trade off as a high heating bill), rather than a miserable new build box which is unbearable in again kind of heat and poorly built. Honestly energy efficiency is so far down my list of wants for a house it would barely feature.
Yes at the lower end of the market/flats you don’t want cold, damp accommodation for people who can’t afford to heat them adequately. But period properties should be exempt.