Alcoholics will just cut out spending money on food. The working person once again punished in this country who enjoy a wee drink. Madness.
SNP really doing themselves no fucking favours.
Edit – just really fucks me off that all this means is I’ll be spending more when i want alcohol while profits for private companies rise because of it.
Uh, why post a screenshot of the headline and no link?
If you look behind the headlines the demographics of those who are dying of alcohol-related death in Scotland tell a very distinct story. It is older men who are dying in greater numbers than any other groups and the trend isn’t progressing, in that we’re not seeing younger people follow in the same way they used to.
I won’t go as far as saying that min pricing is responsible for that, but affordability will certainly be a factor because generally young people are fucked financially.
All this shits doing is pricing healthy people out of a good night
And addicts out of their homes 😔
Can we have a referendum on MUP?!!!?!!?
So for the alcoholics that gain extra money in their DLA will the DLA go up to compensate or will it just be on them to buy that boozze. This wont affect the rich and it wont affect the people like myself who don’t touch alcohol , but it will make those in the poorer classes who are unlikely to give up alcohol, just take it out of other parts of their lives this won’t really stop the deaths , more likely this deaths numbers will continue to rise with the depressing state of many thing in Scotland.
Good job we didn’t have COVID or the cost of living crisis in between. Correlation equals causation as everyone knows
It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if someone involved in this has decided it isn’t the policy that’s the problem, we just haven’t went in hard enough with it and doubled down on it. It clearly isn’t working and won’t work. As others have highlighted, the people who are addicted and killing themselves are not going to stop drinking because of this.
We like to call healthcare free but it’s anything but free, taxing optional stuff that harms your health makes sense if you want to keep “free” healthcare, the alternative is American style the gov doesn’t tell you what to put in your body but you’re responsible for your medical bill, you can’t simply cherry pick the bits you want.
Cool, because it has worked so far eh?
There’s a lag u need to account for. Ppl with long term problems from alcohol don’t get cured cos the price went up. Does this reduce the number becoming alcohol dependent or in 10 years time has the number of ppl with alcohol related deaths dropped ?
Alcoholics will get booze no matter how expensive you make it.
Here’s the thing, when your part of the majority of people scraping by financially but contributing the most to society, why should the government meddle in your free choices because they don’t like the choices you make?
It’s another element of the creeping judgemental need to police thoughts and choice.
In the article you’ve posted:
*Based on comparisons with England, it estimated there were 13.4% fewer deaths related to alcohol than would have happened without the policy, as well as 4.1% fewer hospital admissions.*
*However, the number of people in Scotland whose death was caused by alcohol remains at a high level, with the figures for 2023 showing the largest number of deaths in 15 years.*
So the article states we have high alcohol deaths which would be even higher had MUP not been introduced.
Edit: some folk don’t seem to understand that just because we’ve had record alcohol deaths doesn’t mean the policy hasn’t had a positive impact.
MUP doesn’t work, it just publishes the working class looking for a cheaper beverage at the end of a hard week for the actions of the heaviest drinkers.
If alcoholism was an issue related solely to price then we would see a shift in socio-economic class of alcoholics over the last few decades. That has not changed. Price increases don’t work.
***You can’t price an addict out of their addiction, they just become more efficient at that addiction.***
Can’t afford pints at the pub? Cool, we’ll get more bang for our buck on hard spirits cut with soft drinks. Can’t afford that? we’ll get a bunch of cans for the fraction of the price and drink at home! Can’t afford that? Get a big bottle of Spirits and cut that with some red bull. Can’t afford that? I think that medicinal alcohol is cheaper, lets try that! And so on.
The only way to tackle alcoholism is to tackle the socio-economic conditions that create addiction and as hard as that may sound, all the relevant research has already been done. We have a decent understanding of how addiction happens, why it happens and how to prevent it. The issue is that policy doesn’t reflect that.
I have had issues with addiction myself in the past. You can increase that price as much as you like, it will not stop alcoholics buying it. I’m sure these measures (ha) reduce alcohol intake amongst the non-addicted population, but for those most at risk of alcohol related disease and death I cannot see it making any difference.
All these prices do is punish someone in the throes of addiction with an increased financial penalty that will impact their most likely already low quality of life, and mean they are more likely to commit low-level crimes such as petty theft to fund their habit.
I don’t understand how out of touch the powers that be are, it’s like they live in an entirely different reality to the rest of us.
How many more campervans were the SNP able to buy themselves with the extra cash?
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the price does not matter if you are addicted.
Time to make me some Moonshine!
Alcoholics will just cut out spending money on food. The working person once again punished in this country who enjoy a wee drink. Madness.
SNP really doing themselves no fucking favours.
Edit – just really fucks me off that all this means is I’ll be spending more when i want alcohol while profits for private companies rise because of it.
Uh, why post a screenshot of the headline and no link?
Here it is: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2d2kdgzeo
If you look behind the headlines the demographics of those who are dying of alcohol-related death in Scotland tell a very distinct story. It is older men who are dying in greater numbers than any other groups and the trend isn’t progressing, in that we’re not seeing younger people follow in the same way they used to.
I won’t go as far as saying that min pricing is responsible for that, but affordability will certainly be a factor because generally young people are fucked financially.
All this shits doing is pricing healthy people out of a good night
And addicts out of their homes 😔
Can we have a referendum on MUP?!!!?!!?
So for the alcoholics that gain extra money in their DLA will the DLA go up to compensate or will it just be on them to buy that boozze. This wont affect the rich and it wont affect the people like myself who don’t touch alcohol , but it will make those in the poorer classes who are unlikely to give up alcohol, just take it out of other parts of their lives this won’t really stop the deaths , more likely this deaths numbers will continue to rise with the depressing state of many thing in Scotland.
Good job we didn’t have COVID or the cost of living crisis in between. Correlation equals causation as everyone knows
It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if someone involved in this has decided it isn’t the policy that’s the problem, we just haven’t went in hard enough with it and doubled down on it. It clearly isn’t working and won’t work. As others have highlighted, the people who are addicted and killing themselves are not going to stop drinking because of this.
We like to call healthcare free but it’s anything but free, taxing optional stuff that harms your health makes sense if you want to keep “free” healthcare, the alternative is American style the gov doesn’t tell you what to put in your body but you’re responsible for your medical bill, you can’t simply cherry pick the bits you want.
Cool, because it has worked so far eh?
There’s a lag u need to account for. Ppl with long term problems from alcohol don’t get cured cos the price went up. Does this reduce the number becoming alcohol dependent or in 10 years time has the number of ppl with alcohol related deaths dropped ?
Alcoholics will get booze no matter how expensive you make it.
Here’s the thing, when your part of the majority of people scraping by financially but contributing the most to society, why should the government meddle in your free choices because they don’t like the choices you make?
It’s another element of the creeping judgemental need to police thoughts and choice.
In the article you’ve posted:
*Based on comparisons with England, it estimated there were 13.4% fewer deaths related to alcohol than would have happened without the policy, as well as 4.1% fewer hospital admissions.*
*However, the number of people in Scotland whose death was caused by alcohol remains at a high level, with the figures for 2023 showing the largest number of deaths in 15 years.*
So the article states we have high alcohol deaths which would be even higher had MUP not been introduced.
Edit: some folk don’t seem to understand that just because we’ve had record alcohol deaths doesn’t mean the policy hasn’t had a positive impact.
MUP doesn’t work, it just publishes the working class looking for a cheaper beverage at the end of a hard week for the actions of the heaviest drinkers.
If alcoholism was an issue related solely to price then we would see a shift in socio-economic class of alcoholics over the last few decades. That has not changed. Price increases don’t work.
***You can’t price an addict out of their addiction, they just become more efficient at that addiction.***
Can’t afford pints at the pub? Cool, we’ll get more bang for our buck on hard spirits cut with soft drinks. Can’t afford that? we’ll get a bunch of cans for the fraction of the price and drink at home! Can’t afford that? Get a big bottle of Spirits and cut that with some red bull. Can’t afford that? I think that medicinal alcohol is cheaper, lets try that! And so on.
The only way to tackle alcoholism is to tackle the socio-economic conditions that create addiction and as hard as that may sound, all the relevant research has already been done. We have a decent understanding of how addiction happens, why it happens and how to prevent it. The issue is that policy doesn’t reflect that.
I have had issues with addiction myself in the past. You can increase that price as much as you like, it will not stop alcoholics buying it. I’m sure these measures (ha) reduce alcohol intake amongst the non-addicted population, but for those most at risk of alcohol related disease and death I cannot see it making any difference.
All these prices do is punish someone in the throes of addiction with an increased financial penalty that will impact their most likely already low quality of life, and mean they are more likely to commit low-level crimes such as petty theft to fund their habit.
I don’t understand how out of touch the powers that be are, it’s like they live in an entirely different reality to the rest of us.
How many more campervans were the SNP able to buy themselves with the extra cash?