HomeEuropeRussian man fleeing mobilisation rejected by Norway: ‘I pay taxes. I’m not on benefits or reliant on the state. I didn’t want to kill or be killed.’
why? they claim mobilisation has ended as a reason and we know that not to be true
Basically that’s why all russians shouldn’t be allowed to flee from the russia. In kill or be killed situation, they should take weapons and turn it against their current government system, not hiding in “cursed rotten gayrope”
But in reality there’s no any “kill or be killed” situation. russian soldiers are free to surrender and go in Ukrainian captivity, russian civilians are free to left their country. Even living in the russia doesn’t create any danger for em, cuz forced mobilization is only on Ukrainian occupied lands, but not on the russian soil
I would reject anyone anyway. The ones you let in could be double agents and to make sure your country is safe then you can’t allow any Russian citizens in your democracy.
After this case, any man from Russia could have gone to Norway and claimed asylum.
As a Ukrainian I didn’t want to kill or be killed before Russia invaded my country. But Russians didn’t ask me what I want when they started killiing Ukrainians.
They are not necessarilly all guilty in the Russia war crimes, but they all are responsible for what their state did.
This is what happens when you claim to be apolitical and a slave. Does Ukrainian men want to kill or be killed in their homes, because of your ignorance?
Tough luck. Norway has border with Russia. Upon experience of other countries bordering with Russia, I’d be very wary to accept any Russian nationals, if I was Norwegian official.
I’m kind of split on this. On the one side I understand and have empathy for wanting to avoid becoming part of the war machine. However, even if you pay taxes and manage to get a job in your new country, the chances are slim that you’ll be able to do so without learning Norwegian. And that whole process does put a strain on our wellfare system. Because of this we need to prioritise those who need it most. Additionally, the jobmarket kind of sucks as it is, we who live here and are looking for jobs won’t benefit from a surge of Russians arriving here.
At the end of the day, Russians need to take responsibility for their own country’s wrongdoings. It sucks, but the only way forward is through and maybe through that lessons will be learned.
Atleast we let in people who walk through 10 different borders illegally
Tough decision: do you risk letting a guy like that into the country because you fear he could be harmful to Norway (could be doing undercover work / could be mentally unstable and proficient with arms) or do you let him in, assume he has good intentions and assimilates well and that is -1 soldier on the Russian side of the conflict…
Idk 🤷♂️
Europe is turning in a bad direction with these attitudes on the rise. Declaring a whole people as enemy and denying acess to those who don’t want to be complicit might sound to some a s a good opportunity to “stick it to them” but it will unfold in VERY bad ways like we can see when we take a look at history…
If Russia didn’t keep using the excuse of ‘it’s not an invasion, we are protecting ethnic Russians’ to invade countries it may have been an easier choice.
How about stripping all Putins cocksuckers of German citizenship? And sending them back to Mordor?
Good luck, my guy.
The Russophobia here is mind blowing. You guys will shit on Russians who want to fight but at the same time you will shit on men trying to avoid having to partake in the war.
I guess now these Russians will understand how the Jews of Europe felt when nobody wanted to take them in as refugees from Hitlers wrath
There is a remote change he might actually be net positive asylum seeker, so naturally needs to be rejected.
Reading threads like these its easy to see how racism and xenophobia is still so rife in eastern Europe. You’re all so tribalistic, can’t see beyond your own noses. People aren’t their governments.
Let in Russian “asylum seekers”, suddenly you have a large Russian minority that Putin wants to “liberate”
There’s an irony here, where Europeans pride themselves on embodying the opposite of Russian rightwingness, yet display a xenophobic right-wing attitude when it comes to Russian asylum seekers.
Either one acknowledges that Russia is a dictatorship, and therefore that Russians aren’t collectively responsible for Putin’s war (and therefore shows some compassion to Russian immigrants), or one agrees with Putin that Russia is a democracy where the people make the decision to go to war. I personally agree with the first stance, but it seems that a lot of the xenophobic people in the comments section agree with Putin that Russia is actually a democracy.
Interesting. This is my current MSc thesis subject in fact. Thanks for the share. I’m very interested in how EU asylum policies treat Russians in general, as opposed to Ukrainians.
Hey on the plus side at least they let in a lot of people from the very familiar middle eastern cultures
r/europe: “hate the government not the people” Meanwhile also r/europe: “fuck russians, everyone of them” Holy shit man
Imagine ALL oligarchs and their kids would be refused residence and had to return. The war would be over before Christmas!
It’s not a problem with one Russian. You let one in, thousands will also come in his place.
We cannot peer into ones mind and check who he really is and what are his intentions. Nobody will tell you that he’s nationalist and Putin supporter. That would be dumb.
99% of ruzzians are potential enemies. Helping your enemies makes no sense. Easy choice.
Tough luck, deal with it.
I can’t find the original article through the links nor on ‘The Barents Observer’ website itself.
The best solution would be to put him a refuge camp of sorts where he can’t interact with society, in case he is a spy or terrorist
Half of these arguments would be absolutely wild applied to any other ethnic group but its r/europe so most of the people here are probably anti all immigration and asylum anyways.
He didn’t flee in February or March. He was ok until in September the police knocked in his door. Could just relocate elsewhere in russia, or come to Georgia/Germany etc. but decided to take his chance in Norway of all places. No sympathy for the guy. Typical russian victim complex.
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why? they claim mobilisation has ended as a reason and we know that not to be true
Basically that’s why all russians shouldn’t be allowed to flee from the russia. In kill or be killed situation, they should take weapons and turn it against their current government system, not hiding in “cursed rotten gayrope”
But in reality there’s no any “kill or be killed” situation. russian soldiers are free to surrender and go in Ukrainian captivity, russian civilians are free to left their country. Even living in the russia doesn’t create any danger for em, cuz forced mobilization is only on Ukrainian occupied lands, but not on the russian soil
I would reject anyone anyway. The ones you let in could be double agents and to make sure your country is safe then you can’t allow any Russian citizens in your democracy.
After this case, any man from Russia could have gone to Norway and claimed asylum.
As a Ukrainian I didn’t want to kill or be killed before Russia invaded my country. But Russians didn’t ask me what I want when they started killiing Ukrainians.
They are not necessarilly all guilty in the Russia war crimes, but they all are responsible for what their state did.
This is what happens when you claim to be apolitical and a slave. Does Ukrainian men want to kill or be killed in their homes, because of your ignorance?
Tough luck. Norway has border with Russia. Upon experience of other countries bordering with Russia, I’d be very wary to accept any Russian nationals, if I was Norwegian official.
I’m kind of split on this. On the one side I understand and have empathy for wanting to avoid becoming part of the war machine. However, even if you pay taxes and manage to get a job in your new country, the chances are slim that you’ll be able to do so without learning Norwegian. And that whole process does put a strain on our wellfare system. Because of this we need to prioritise those who need it most. Additionally, the jobmarket kind of sucks as it is, we who live here and are looking for jobs won’t benefit from a surge of Russians arriving here.
At the end of the day, Russians need to take responsibility for their own country’s wrongdoings. It sucks, but the only way forward is through and maybe through that lessons will be learned.
Atleast we let in people who walk through 10 different borders illegally
Tough decision: do you risk letting a guy like that into the country because you fear he could be harmful to Norway (could be doing undercover work / could be mentally unstable and proficient with arms) or do you let him in, assume he has good intentions and assimilates well and that is -1 soldier on the Russian side of the conflict…
Idk 🤷♂️
Europe is turning in a bad direction with these attitudes on the rise. Declaring a whole people as enemy and denying acess to those who don’t want to be complicit might sound to some a s a good opportunity to “stick it to them” but it will unfold in VERY bad ways like we can see when we take a look at history…
If Russia didn’t keep using the excuse of ‘it’s not an invasion, we are protecting ethnic Russians’ to invade countries it may have been an easier choice.
How about stripping all Putins cocksuckers of German citizenship? And sending them back to Mordor?
Good luck, my guy.
The Russophobia here is mind blowing. You guys will shit on Russians who want to fight but at the same time you will shit on men trying to avoid having to partake in the war.
I guess now these Russians will understand how the Jews of Europe felt when nobody wanted to take them in as refugees from Hitlers wrath
There is a remote change he might actually be net positive asylum seeker, so naturally needs to be rejected.
Reading threads like these its easy to see how racism and xenophobia is still so rife in eastern Europe. You’re all so tribalistic, can’t see beyond your own noses. People aren’t their governments.
Let in Russian “asylum seekers”, suddenly you have a large Russian minority that Putin wants to “liberate”
There’s an irony here, where Europeans pride themselves on embodying the opposite of Russian rightwingness, yet display a xenophobic right-wing attitude when it comes to Russian asylum seekers.
Either one acknowledges that Russia is a dictatorship, and therefore that Russians aren’t collectively responsible for Putin’s war (and therefore shows some compassion to Russian immigrants), or one agrees with Putin that Russia is a democracy where the people make the decision to go to war. I personally agree with the first stance, but it seems that a lot of the xenophobic people in the comments section agree with Putin that Russia is actually a democracy.
Interesting. This is my current MSc thesis subject in fact. Thanks for the share. I’m very interested in how EU asylum policies treat Russians in general, as opposed to Ukrainians.
Hey on the plus side at least they let in a lot of people from the very familiar middle eastern cultures
r/europe: “hate the government not the people”
Meanwhile also r/europe: “fuck russians, everyone of them”
Holy shit man
Imagine ALL oligarchs and their kids would be refused residence and had to return. The war would be over before Christmas!
It’s not a problem with one Russian. You let one in, thousands will also come in his place.
We cannot peer into ones mind and check who he really is and what are his intentions. Nobody will tell you that he’s nationalist and Putin supporter. That would be dumb.
99% of ruzzians are potential enemies. Helping your enemies makes no sense. Easy choice.
Tough luck, deal with it.
I can’t find the original article through the links nor on ‘The Barents Observer’ website itself.
The best solution would be to put him a refuge camp of sorts where he can’t interact with society, in case he is a spy or terrorist
Half of these arguments would be absolutely wild applied to any other ethnic group but its r/europe so most of the people here are probably anti all immigration and asylum anyways.
He didn’t flee in February or March. He was ok until in September the police knocked in his door. Could just relocate elsewhere in russia, or come to Georgia/Germany etc. but decided to take his chance in Norway of all places. No sympathy for the guy. Typical russian victim complex.