They’re so expensive, I’d never save enough with fuel costs to justify one
Stop pricing your cars over £32,000 and we’ll talk. I thought EVs were simpler to build with simple powertrains? If so why are they 10x what I can afford?
Take a look at YouTube Barrie cramptons channel simple no nonsense explanation of the challenges of ev ownership
Too expensive for most still, also difficult to navigate home charging if you’re in a flat
I have no sympathy for the car industry. Sounds like their problem not mine.
So in 2021 I bought my electric car and after the government grant(which no longer exists) and my deposit etc ot cost 300 a month with PCP. I’m looking at getting another car next year and the prices are wayyy higher for the same car to the point it’s not affordable.
People want EV’s. They do not want them at current full prices.
Good. They’re a con/bandwagon jumped on by the car industry under the pretext of being ‘green’. But when it comes to recycling the batteries none of them are capable of giving you the entire details of the recycling process. (Batteries really are the most lethal pollution you can imagine that is not nuclear waste).
Also as an anecdotal observation owners do not seem to keep the cars for as long as someone with a pure mechanical vehicle. The better option would be to switch to hydrogen but that is another ball park of problems so the car industry is taking the ‘easier’ option while it can to stay afloat.
I live in a flat so there’s no fucking way I can charge my car. In order to get to the charging station I’d have to cross two roads – one of being the main road, which is 10 minutes walk. Fuck that, for me having a car is convenience not need, and that’s the opposite
We paid £54k for a new Ionic 5. Good vehicle but that’s expensive. Currently have a single 7kw charger, pumping out 21 miles range per hour at 4p/kw overnight. If we had a 2nd EV, I’d need to upgrade to a 3-phase house supply for the 2nd or even 3rd charger; which means digging up the nice new driveway/block paving…
If this wasn’t a business purchase, I would not buy one.
Car manufacturers can take the £15k fine..
They need to drop the prices to reasonable prices (£20k)
I see the Dacia Spring is launching – which will be the cheapest EV by some distance. Cheapest model is about £15k.
On a PCP with deposit it’s about £160 per month. Pretty basic spec – but see it selling well.
The problem is from what I have seen is that they are expensive and most of that expense is the huge battery pack, theres a lot of cells in those packs and UK wages are low, so unless you are lucky and doing well for yourself most people are not going to be able to afford one. And then you have the infrastructure problem, the UK has the most expensive energy costs in the world currently and only 70% of homes have a drive way, so to have the savings of running an EV you need a drive way, have a charger installed but that requires owning your home and having a decent cheap night time energy tariff to charge.
If going by cost alone, then Chinese EVs might be the way to go because they are using the same technology as european brands of cars as most EV batteries are made in China but at a far lower cost. Another problem is that the previous government barely did anything with gearing the country towards an EV future another issue is that with public chargers in car parks which is a good idea, people with ICE vehicles will use those spots for EV charging as a regular parking spot so you get problems where a lot of public charge points are unusable.
Now if you look at incentives for owning one, the UK offers basically no incentives. Norway did the same incentive as the UK where you got a grant but they also had other incentives like free parking in urban areas if you own an EV, free toll road usage if you have an EV etc.
Not to mention that if as a country you want to reach net zero you do need to stop car dominance and have decent public transport connections AND COST and try to incentivise people taking 1 less trip in a car per day which will reduce a persons potential carbon emissions by 1 ton in a 100 days. But as it stands none of that is going to happen because the UK is a poor country pretending to be a rich country.
Just as Clarkson said in the final Grand Tour episode.
“Electric cars are just shit”
insanely expensive without the proper infrastructure to support them… I mean wtf did they expect exactly?
Everyone is poor, what do they expect to happen?
Also the second hand EV market is barely getting rolling
EVs are here to save the car industry not the biosphere.
Electric buses are probably the way forward but we desperately need to improve the dire state of public transport outside of London first.
On paper buses are brilliant, it’s a shame they’re ruined by traffic and corporate greed.
Infrastructure and of course, price. The lack of the first is helping keep the second high as the economy can’t scale.
In dense UK terraced neighbourhoods charging will be an issue unless 1 fast charging becomes available or 2 we start installing plugs in every fifth kerbstone.
old school car companies: make crap electric cars put them on sale at ludicrous prices complain that they are not selling and you need government “help”
“While there was a record 56,362 battery electric models sold… [last year]”
How is that stalling as per the headline? That’s literally a record number, according to their own data. 😂
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They’re so expensive, I’d never save enough with fuel costs to justify one
Stop pricing your cars over £32,000 and we’ll talk. I thought EVs were simpler to build with simple powertrains? If so why are they 10x what I can afford?
Take a look at YouTube Barrie cramptons channel simple no nonsense explanation of the challenges of ev ownership
Too expensive for most still, also difficult to navigate home charging if you’re in a flat
I have no sympathy for the car industry. Sounds like their problem not mine.
So in 2021 I bought my electric car and after the government grant(which no longer exists) and my deposit etc ot cost 300 a month with PCP. I’m looking at getting another car next year and the prices are wayyy higher for the same car to the point it’s not affordable.
People want EV’s. They do not want them at current full prices.
Good. They’re a con/bandwagon jumped on by the car industry under the pretext of being ‘green’. But when it comes to recycling the batteries none of them are capable of giving you the entire details of the recycling process. (Batteries really are the most lethal pollution you can imagine that is not nuclear waste).
Also as an anecdotal observation owners do not seem to keep the cars for as long as someone with a pure mechanical vehicle. The better option would be to switch to hydrogen but that is another ball park of problems so the car industry is taking the ‘easier’ option while it can to stay afloat.
I live in a flat so there’s no fucking way I can charge my car. In order to get to the charging station I’d have to cross two roads – one of being the main road, which is 10 minutes walk. Fuck that, for me having a car is convenience not need, and that’s the opposite
We paid £54k for a new Ionic 5. Good vehicle but that’s expensive. Currently have a single 7kw charger, pumping out 21 miles range per hour at 4p/kw overnight. If we had a 2nd EV, I’d need to upgrade to a 3-phase house supply for the 2nd or even 3rd charger; which means digging up the nice new driveway/block paving…
If this wasn’t a business purchase, I would not buy one.
Car manufacturers can take the £15k fine..
They need to drop the prices to reasonable prices (£20k)
I see the Dacia Spring is launching – which will be the cheapest EV by some distance. Cheapest model is about £15k.
https://offers.dacia.co.uk/cars/spring/personal-contract-purchase?offerId=364
On a PCP with deposit it’s about £160 per month. Pretty basic spec – but see it selling well.
The problem is from what I have seen is that they are expensive and most of that expense is the huge battery pack, theres a lot of cells in those packs and UK wages are low, so unless you are lucky and doing well for yourself most people are not going to be able to afford one. And then you have the infrastructure problem, the UK has the most expensive energy costs in the world currently and only 70% of homes have a drive way, so to have the savings of running an EV you need a drive way, have a charger installed but that requires owning your home and having a decent cheap night time energy tariff to charge.
If going by cost alone, then Chinese EVs might be the way to go because they are using the same technology as european brands of cars as most EV batteries are made in China but at a far lower cost. Another problem is that the previous government barely did anything with gearing the country towards an EV future another issue is that with public chargers in car parks which is a good idea, people with ICE vehicles will use those spots for EV charging as a regular parking spot so you get problems where a lot of public charge points are unusable.
Now if you look at incentives for owning one, the UK offers basically no incentives. Norway did the same incentive as the UK where you got a grant but they also had other incentives like free parking in urban areas if you own an EV, free toll road usage if you have an EV etc.
Not to mention that if as a country you want to reach net zero you do need to stop car dominance and have decent public transport connections AND COST and try to incentivise people taking 1 less trip in a car per day which will reduce a persons potential carbon emissions by 1 ton in a 100 days. But as it stands none of that is going to happen because the UK is a poor country pretending to be a rich country.
Just as Clarkson said in the final Grand Tour episode.
“Electric cars are just shit”
insanely expensive without the proper infrastructure to support them… I mean wtf did they expect exactly?
Everyone is poor, what do they expect to happen?
Also the second hand EV market is barely getting rolling
EVs are here to save the car industry not the biosphere.
Electric buses are probably the way forward but we desperately need to improve the dire state of public transport outside of London first.
On paper buses are brilliant, it’s a shame they’re ruined by traffic and corporate greed.
Infrastructure and of course, price. The lack of the first is helping keep the second high as the economy can’t scale.
In dense UK terraced neighbourhoods charging will be an issue unless 1 fast charging becomes available or 2 we start installing plugs in every fifth kerbstone.
old school car companies:
make crap electric cars
put them on sale at ludicrous prices
complain that they are not selling and you need government “help”
“While there was a record 56,362 battery electric models sold… [last year]”
How is that stalling as per the headline? That’s literally a record number, according to their own data. 😂