No NATO Invitation or Shift in Long-Range Weapons Policy Expected Soon, Says U.S. Diplomat. Zelensky’s victory plan is facing setbacks as NATO hasn’t agreed to offer Kyiv membership soon, and the US remains firm on limiting Ukraine’s use of long-range weapons on Russian territory.

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1. There is no circumstance in which Ukraine becomes a NATO member until after this war. It was never a possibility. Anybody who convinced you that it was even the slimmest possibility was lying to you.

2. The unveiling of this “victory plan” has been a diplomatic disaster for Ukraine.

   How did Zelensky think western leaders would react to him trying to put his war’s success/failure entirely on their shoulders?

   This will make these leaders even *less* inclined to help Ukraine.

   I certainly don’t see Harris (if she wins) choosing to stick her neck out to help Ukraine, if by doing so she gets the blame when/if things fall apart. And Trump, needless to say, won’t even consider it.

   I understand the desperation of Zelensky, but this is the kind of thing that could affect relations after the war — when Ukraine will need all the help it can get to rebuild.

3. I fucking hate how weak we are in the west. Why are we afraid of Russia? They have no capacity left to fight against NATO.

4. Sorry to be so cynical, but…duh?

   Just about every point in that “plan” was something that he’d already gotten firm No’s for before, sometimes repeatedly.

5. This is a disgrace. I wonder if this is just because elections are near, or if it’s a policy position that will endure in time.

6. You nerds need to chill out.

   Lets be real here. This whole “victory plan” is just Zelensky doing his usual stuff.

   He needs weapons, he needs permission to use said long range weapons and he is bringing in some stuff ukraine is willing to do for said pew pew weapons.

   I really like how hard is he insisting on “we need ALL of our land back” let’s hope it’s the right decision

7. then UA needs to start doing whatever they feel they need to do with their weapons. fuck this fighting with one arm tied behind their back. it’s insane.

8. Ask November 6th

9. We lose in Ukraine and we will forever be bullied. The West will regret its actions or lack thereof.

10. Well, then prepare to lose. European here: I’ll start diversifying my money accordingly across the world because we will have war upon us within the next two years. Need a place to safely put my family while i go and kill me some Russians. Probably somewhere in eastern Germany/ Poland, where the frontline will be.

    Sorry for being so negative, but this is utterly disgusting.

11. The issue, as always, the domestic politics of western democracies who live in terror of a bad news cycle or fractured coalition governments.

    And I simply do not see that going away unless we collectively move to a war footing.

12. They will allow Ukraine to use long range missiles to ruzzia when there are no more Ukrainian hands to fire those buttons.

13. The only way to end this is Ukrainian need to build their own nukes.

14. This has been such a weird episode. Either Zelensky and his entire government is impossibly naive about what is politically possible, or it’s an attempt to blame Ukraine not winning the war on people outside of Ukraine so that Zelensky can pivot toward a negotiation where Ukraine gives up getting it’s territory back and accepts what will seem and may well be a bad peace with Russia. I almost hope its the second option even though I would love for the Russians to lose because at least then the “Victory Plan” makes sense.