Some claim that the future of Europe depends on the American elections, while it depends first and foremost on us. On condition Europe finally grows up and believes in its own strength. Whatever the outcome, the era of geopolitical outsourcing is over.
https://x.com/donaldtusk/status/1852701257267318972
by Loki9101
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the future of Europe depends on how WE support Ukraine to victory. look right here, not over the ocean.
True, but in that case the elections are still valuable to see whether European military integration is done under the NATO framework, or if we intend to simply duplicate the framework sans US/Canada/UK.
When a confederation of states with a population and economy nearly equal to that of the U.S. is basing its future on U.S. elections, while the reverse is never true, it screams about a self-imposed mental limitation. And lack of leadership or a sense of direction
https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1852742349786357775
Churchill had already said after the battle of El Alamein: Europe might be strong enough to go its own way.
That is what we must do now, we have started the process of rearming ourselves but also Ukraine, and that path must be accelerated, no matter who wins this election, our security on this continent must not depend on a madman, we have the people, we have the industrial capacity and the money, this European Union is worth fighting for, it is worth defending what we have.
Europe is stronger than it gives itself credit for. A united European continent that battles a common foe is a force to be reckoned with.
This isn’t 2023. No matter what happens in the US, we must keep on defending democracy, defend Ukraine, and defend what is right.
“This is not a question of fighting for Danzig or fighting for Poland. We are fighting to save the whole world from the pestilence of Nazi tyranny. And in defense of all that is most sacred to man. This is no war of domination, or imperial aggrandaziment, material gain or to shut down one nation out of the sunlight in means of progress, it is a war to place on impregnable rocks the foundational right of the individual and of the rights
“So long as the peoples of Europe refuse all collaboration with the invader, it is sure that his cause will perish and that Europe will be liberated.” Churchill
If we win, nobody will care. If we lose, there will be nobody to care. Churchill 1941
Do not despair. your land shall be cleansed. Keep your souls clean from all contact with the Nazis. Make them feel even in their fleeting hour of brutish triumph that they are the moral outcasts of mankind. Help is coming. Mighty forces are arming on your behalf, have faith, have hope, your deliverance is sure. Winston S. Churchill in 1941
In War, Resolution; In Defeat, Defiance; In Victory, Magnanimity; and in Peace, Good Will. Winston S. Churchill, Frontispiece, history of the World War
It’s not realistic. We live in an age of superpowers, and no single European nation is big enough or rich enough to have any shot at becoming one. Truth to tell, in the (extremely unlikely no matter who wins) event the US pulls out of NATO, the most likely scenario is that old grudges resurface and European nations start fighting amongst themselves again.
The only way Europe as a whole could become an effective military force is by federalizing. This is not going to happen.
Europe has made fun of the U.S. for its war capacity my entire life. Now Europe is finding out they barely have enough for limited defense and almost nothing for long offensive fights.
As the saying goes, to secure peace is to prepare for war.
The US no longer has the money to be the world’s policeman. In 5 years the interest on the national debt exceeds the taxes collected for everything, and a huge crisis will emerge to shake the U.S. to its core. Broke, busted, and no way to govern.
true’nuf. but damn… so much wasted money resources lives on this that has no value moving EVERYONE forward.
can’t we all just get along????
I would love to see the German army march against the Russians again. This time in defense of democracy though.
It’s not a purely binary choice, that seems a default narrative aggressively pushed in the Internet’s echo chamber that must stop. A philosophy embracing shared responsibility and true partnership is most required. Europe doesn’t abrogate its role for its own strength in the presence of U.S. strength, nor is it an all or nothing game where the U.S. is cut away in the face of contrary winds. Europe plays an even greater role in encouraging and aiding its U.S. partners protect shared liberal democratic principles at home and abroad.
Now is the time for engagement, not retrenchment.
Difference is obviously the US is one country. How can the EU trust Hungary, or potentially Slovakia? Can Poland or the Baltics trust Germany or France?
Things would need to change massively, countries like Germany need to have the military heft to back up their economic and political might, and crucially the industrial capability for military equipment needs to ramp up massively. Less buying from the US or SK and more from domestic European suppliers.
That’s actually accurate…color me surprised
While I am all for my country (the US) sending military aid to Ukraine, it really is true that wealthy European countries have become far too reliant upon the US for their collective security. They’ll look down at the US for spending so much on the military and not enough on socialized medicine and welfare programs, then act helpless when there is a security threat that requires a powerful military to deal with it.
But this has been said how many times what really changes? . Words are simple lets see some action for the love of god !
Europe needs to end its era of self imposed humiliation and self hatred
He’s not the only one who said that a “break up” could finish off the toxic defense/military-related relation in between US and EU.
Some others are saying there will not be much difference and that the “assistance” will stay low or insufficient whatever it is Harris or Trump, because it follows US interests.
Personally what I don’t understand is that they wasted more than 2000 billions on Afganistan: meaning it was so much more important for them than Helping Ukraine and Europe. Not to mention the money they do over it.
This sucks, Ukrainians are getting killed because of 1/ EU not reacting fast and 2/ US not truely concerned.interests.
I just think who ever win these shit US “elections” (talking about democracy but honestly it looks like more a distraction on identity politics than helping the average middle class american citizen.)
*We have to make it by our own for good and quick !!!*
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